Everyone should move away from the cities

[FastQuoter]

Hey everyone. Posting here for more discussion. I want to start a conversation that needs to be had. I've read a number of posts regarding families escaping the big cities for elsewhere and it's been an interesting read. I've used it for my own research too because honestly whilst living in a city has its perks, there is a big trade off regarding one's health, stress levels and community, amongst other things.

I read where village/rural communities across the UK are hostile to Londoners moving in - but it's going to be more of a thing and should be encouraged!

Essentially, I myself, and many other of my friends I've talked to, believe that living in a more village/rural setting is ideal, but we fear the unknown. We fear the reception from others and if we'll fit in here in the UK, which is fair enough but hear me out! I believe more people need to live in rural settings, go back to our roots, the way our ancestors lived.

Grow your own food! I'm telling you they'll be a time soon when such a skill will be vital. Sustain yourself and do not rely on the government to feed you. Please!

Learn to work with your hands! Whether that's sewing (like our mothers and grandmothers did), cooking from scratch, embroidery, hair making, etc etc there is something wonderful about seeing the fruits of your labour. 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 "And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing."

Beneficial for you and your children If you have young children, I can't see anywhere better for them to grow up. To be surrounded by nature as God intended (God put Adam and Even in the garden of Eden). The learn life skills from young.

Please be kind in the comments, this is my view and I certainly welcome rebuttals and counter-arguments but do be respectful.

I think suggesting natural remedies are more prevalent in rural communities isn't right. I have an absolute enormous stash of dressings, meds and healthcare equipment, because we are really far from a hospital. My experience has been that being distant from infrastructure makes people very practical and not particularly inclined towards alternative remedies.

I like cities. I like civilisation. I like mod cons. I don't want to tend the land or milk a cow. I don't need to know how to execute a chicken or bake sourdough. I like my coffee machine and my laptop. I wouldn't want to survive Armageddon.

I think you read me wrong there

My house is on the edge of a farm, I love where I live , I have no problems with farmers being farmers, I was just saying living rural is not all sweetness and light, you have to be prepared for it

I know so many that have moved out of cities and do nothing but moan about the smell, the noise, the muck , they get on my tits as well

But I didn't, and I dont

• It's clear so many do not believe in God and that's unfortunate because Jesus Christ is coming again soon

OP, can you be a bit more specific about this? I've got a weekend away booked at the end of September and could really do with knowing whether the second coming is going to interfere with it. I would assume that when it does happen it's basically a three-line-whip and it'll be sort of like Christmas where it's just a few garages that are open; maybe a few pubs at lunchtime? It's all well and good saying JC is going to pop in again 'soon' but people need to plan - we need to get down to practicalities here.

Well, I hope it’s not in the next fortnight because I’m really looking forward to my holiday, & preferably not October because I’m seeing my great-aunt & going to a party. But I would like to know whether it’s worth continuing to go to the gym & pay my mortgage.

Christmas feels sort of appropriate though, doesn’t it?

Edited to add that if it is any time soon someone should tell RMT that it’s not worth having a tube strike.

Making your own hair, apparently.

I was thinking about Miss Marple's village as well. A hotbed of evil intent.

We do that already 😆

Of course. I'm not sure about all the embroidery though, I don't really have enough time as it is.

Taking the OP's advice, I've just embroidered this.

I lived in the countryside growing up. I was bored witless. Nothing much to do. Had to rely on parents for lifts everywhere. Friends all were miles apart. Couldn’t walk anywhere as country roads. I swore when I got older I’d live in a city so live in London. My kids have been independent from a young age. They walked a mile each way to school when younger and are used to walking 3 miles a day from quite small because hard to drive anywhere. All their mates within 1 or 2 miles that they can walk or cycle or bus to. All their activities like sports were within a mile. They have places to hang with their friends without being on street corners. You couldn’t pay me to move back to the country!

Or just move to a smaller town?

What’s going to happen to cats when Jesus comes back???? Because I’d like to take mine with me.

I'm sure that will be allowed.

Puts me in mind of the quote from Epicurius:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

I live in a village.
The best thing that happened to us all recently was Tesco starting to do home deliveries.

I seem to remember from a previous thread that Jesus drives a cabbage van for Ocado.

I grew up in a rural village and it was shit. I love living in a city and my kids have are having a much nicer childhood than I did.

A very quick Google will tell you that England has a population of approximately 57 million. It has a total land area of around 32 million acres. Note I'm only using England because in the UK it has the largest percentage of useable land.

Assuming that a maximum of 2/3 of that land is suitable for agriculture e.g. not barren, a mountainous area, boggy etc, that means there's in the region of about 1/3 of an acre per person.

If many of us move out of the more built up areas then more houses will need to be built, which of course will eat in to the land currently being farmed. Economies of scale work in things like farming, because 10 acres as 1 field set to wheat produces much much more as it isn't divided by hedges. In countries like England there just isn't the space for everyone to live in "the country", it will just become one big suburban sprawl. Think of having a "village" type home for everyone who currently lives in a flat or apartment in the cities and even towns!

You keep quoting from the Christian bible. Apart from that being rather insulting to the very many people of other faiths here on MN, you're spouting the views of the world when the bible was written, when the entire population of the world was about 2/3 of the population of England alone today. Believe it or not, this massive increase in population over the centuries forces lifestyles to change.

By the way, was it e.g. my friend's "sin" that caused the drunk driver to smash into him and kill him? Or the baby's "sin" that gave them the disabilities and birth defects caused by their mother's drug taking? Was everyone on that recent plane crash in India sinful enough so they were killed? How about all the passengers and crew on the Titanic? Or the citizens of Kyiv killed or crippled in the recent bombings?

I have the decency not to push my religion on you. You however are trying to force on us a religion which has been renowned over time as being one of the most intolerant of anyone else, including other sects of the same religion. I find that rather offensive.

By the way, was it e.g. my friend's "sin" that caused the drunk driver to smash into him and kill him? Or the baby's "sin" that gave them the disabilities and birth defects caused by their mother's drug taking? Was everyone on that recent plane crash in India sinful enough so they were killed? How about all the passengers and crew on the Titanic? Or the citizens of Kyiv killed or crippled in the recent bombings?

Or what the women of Afghanistan are suffering? I think any reasonable god would have done something about the Taliban by now. A very localised plague that rotted them from the inside would do - something like what happened in Egypt, but not with frogs. After all if it’s all literally true there’s no reason why God can’t do it again.

It's a mistake to think country people are unfriendly to incomers. Generally, country people are just like any other people.
Perhaps Cornwall and other tourist destinations where incomers have driven up house prices are hostile to town escapees.

With God, there's hope for eternal bliss with him if ONLY you believe that Jesus came down on earth to die for your sins. Life is so short on earth compared to eternity. Please don't fall for the devil's lie

Ok OP. So we have "God" telling us one thing and "the devil" telling us another.

Can you be very specific in describing how we ascertain which is true?

Obviously taking into account the the Devil could have falsely written the Bible, etc, so we can't just choose based on who is presenting the arguments, but the arguments themselves.

Could you set out what the claims are by both and how you determine which is factually true?

@FastQuoter It's about moving out of cities, but you wonder "if we'll fit in here in the UK"
Why that? Presumably you're already 'here in the UK' ❓

I’m not a parent, I never wanted to be.

But I can’t imagine any parent I know saying to their beloved children “If you believe this, then I promise you’ll be happy in heaven with me forever. If you don’t believe it, then you’re fucked & will spend eternity in torture.”

And yet God is supposed to be the ultimate love?

This reminds me of the vindictive bastard in my local high street who shouts gloatingly about everyone who doesn’t love Jesus going to hell.

Cities generally have more social and cultural distractions to offer. It can be very limiting socially in the more rural.

Also finding fellow outsiders with a desire to get to know you can be nigh on impossible when you move to these neighbourhoods. Can be very insular not to mention narrow minded.

I have found local city friends make for the better friendship options. Luckily I can travel to these.