Everyone should move away from the cities

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Hey everyone. Posting here for more discussion. I want to start a conversation that needs to be had. I've read a number of posts regarding families escaping the big cities for elsewhere and it's been an interesting read. I've used it for my own research too because honestly whilst living in a city has its perks, there is a big trade off regarding one's health, stress levels and community, amongst other things.

I read where village/rural communities across the UK are hostile to Londoners moving in - but it's going to be more of a thing and should be encouraged!

Essentially, I myself, and many other of my friends I've talked to, believe that living in a more village/rural setting is ideal, but we fear the unknown. We fear the reception from others and if we'll fit in here in the UK, which is fair enough but hear me out! I believe more people need to live in rural settings, go back to our roots, the way our ancestors lived.

Grow your own food! I'm telling you they'll be a time soon when such a skill will be vital. Sustain yourself and do not rely on the government to feed you. Please!

Learn to work with your hands! Whether that's sewing (like our mothers and grandmothers did), cooking from scratch, embroidery, hair making, etc etc there is something wonderful about seeing the fruits of your labour. 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 "And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing."

Beneficial for you and your children If you have young children, I can't see anywhere better for them to grow up. To be surrounded by nature as God intended (God put Adam and Even in the garden of Eden). The learn life skills from young.

Please be kind in the comments, this is my view and I certainly welcome rebuttals and counter-arguments but do be respectful.

My guess is they’re one of the many posters who seem to be infiltrating the site at the moment, inciting ill feeling, posting faux naive commentary and threads which start out as one thing and quickly deteriorate into something entirely different. I’ve reported this thread twice, not least for OPs comments that disability is caused by sin, and for some unfathomable reason MNHQ have left it to stand. 🤷🏻‍♀️

The Christian obsession with sin is very toxic and unhelpful.

So, are you currently living in a 'village' and growing your own food? Maybe, rather than 'doing research' you should walk the walk first.

Sin causes evil and leads to consequences. I’m sorry for your loss. If the driver did not sin by being drunk then it wouldn’t have happen. Sin leads to wars. The captain of Titanic said ‘not even God can bring this ship down’. Don’t mock God. Sin leads to consequences.

God has given us free will to decide whether to do good or to do evil. God does not want robots that act on his command otherwise where’s the relationship? He guides us, leads us and helps us but he doesn’t string our every movement. But God is in control and will do what he wants. God loves you too much that if you don’t want to believe he will leave you to your sins and the ultimate punishment will be hell.

But if you believe in him (a free gift) he will accept you, the angels will shout with joy that another sinner has been saved and your name will be written in the book of life to reign with Jesus Christ forever. We all sin, no one is perfect but God has called us to righteousness for our own good. If you die faithful to the Lord your reward is ETERNITY in heaven.

^What's that got to do with homegrown vegetables?

The captain of Titanic said ‘not even God can bring this ship down’. Don’t mock God. Sin leads to consequences.

There is absolutely no firm evidence that Captain Smith said that and perhaps you should pay attention to the 9th Commandment (the one about not bearing false witness) before accusing a man who lost his life of mocking God.

I miss the days when posters put their efforts into parking threads.

Ooh I love a parking thread. Can someone start one pleeeease?

Surely if everyone moves out of the city to rural
communities, the rural communities grow and become towns and cities, and the former cities, devoid of people and activity, become quiet rural areas?

Most of the issues with cities you’ve mentioned are not inherently part of the city. They’re inherently part of living with lots of other people in one place.

You see that's where I have an issue with your God - my friend was punished because of someone else's sin. The passengers and crew on the Titanic were all punished because ONE man was boastful. The Christian residents of Ukraine are being punished because one atheist man from another country is being greedy.

You are also suggesting that simply not being a Christian means by definition you're a "sinner". Leaving aside the argument that nearly all the other mainstream religions say theirs is the one true God, how does that explain the number of proclaimed Christians who sin in a big way, or the millions of people who took to another God or Gods who are kind, generous and good?

As a pp suggested there have been some pretty awful atrocities committed over the centuries in the name of Christianity, including killing people who are Christians but just believe in a slightly different view. In fact they are killed BECAUSE despite being Christian they happen to be Catholic and the monarch at the time converts to a form of Protestantism, then when he dies a Catholic monarch takes over and in the name of their God forces everyone to convert to Catholicism, then they dies & the next goes back the other way.

All those 3 monarchs were deeply Christian, and had hundreds of people killed in the name of their version of Christianity. So how can them believing in Christ mean they will still go to heaven, and at the same time some poor child brought up in any non-Christian faith (or is that non-Catholic, or non-Protestant, or non-Evangelical, or non-Jehovah's Witness?) be condemned to hell?

I thought your God was supposed to be just?

I have no idea whether the captain said it. But if someone decided to kill over 1,000 people because of one mildly offensive comment, they would be rightly viewed as a psychopath.

I totally agree with you. I also think that someone who decides to preach to others on (of all things) a MN thread about countryside living should apply the standards and beliefs they are promoting to themselves.

I suppose there’s more space in the country for classic MN crafts like lentil weaving & yoni steaming.

Don't forget hair making. I'm still puzzled by what it is, though.

Oh gosh yes. Wigs?

Too far OP - reported.

the quoted piece above was written by OP in response to a mother of a disabled child stating (correctly) that her child’s disability was not caused by ‘sin’.

OP you are playing a dangerous game with real people’s feelings and lived experiences. I can only assume you are here to deliberately goad and harm - which is VERY unchristian.

Keep out!! Our yoni steaming circle is FULL with a WAITING LIST! We'll have none of you smog-dwellers jumping the queue!

This is almost certainly a wind up (and I'm a Christian).
Don't feed.

I haven't seen many Londoners who moved to my neck of the woods basket weaving or tilling the land. All they've done is quadruple house prices, snort cocaine and force you off the road in their fucking poncy armoured tanks (sorry - I meant cars).

It really annoys me when people say 'a rural setting/village is the best place to bring up a family?' You are all wrong. I grew up in a rural setting and f*ing hated it. There is literally nothing for a child to do, let alone a teenager. If I wanted to go somewhere or do something , if my parents wouldn't drive me, guess what? I didn't do it. There was no bus service in my area. So many things I could have experienced but didn't til I left home and moved to a city. I had no idea how sheltered I was and street smarts were a mystery to me. My Mum still lives on the middle of nowhere and I rarely visit her cos there is nothing to do. I can't imagine ever wanting to live in the country again. Do you children a favour and raise them in a town or city, give them as many experiences as you can cos if you don't when they grow up and move away you will never see them.

I think I will stay put.

When the masses follow your advice and all hot foot it to the country for all this basket weaving, embroidery and rhapsodising over the carrots in the back garden; negotiating rush hour traffic on unmarked country lanes, I'll be enjoying the quiet city life.

This plan would turn every village in the UK into every tourist spot in the UK in summer. I am sure anyone in Cornwall would attest to what it is like when the tourists arrive (its beautiful by the way, but the traffic, oh the traffic).

There is more drug use in rural locations than urban areas. I have worked in homelessness and had the drugs training courses in London when I still worked in the sector. Not good for teenagers and young people at all.

How do you know what God wants?
And dont say because you read it in the bible. God didn't write it.

I hope this is just a bad joke as you are clearly in need of some serious help.
FYI I dont think God wants you to be a condescending dick.

I agree with Brigid Brophy. The city, she said, is 'one of the cardinally simple brilliant inventions, like currency'. And the child raised in the country gains nature but loses culture, 'gains the tennis club, but is condemned to the tennis club light opera society's amateur production of "No No Nanette" because the trains don't run late enough to bring him home after Sadler's Wells'.

I would add that my grandparents retired from the city to the country and it was tough on my grandmother, who thrived on shops and neighbourly chat, both abundant before, and now almost non-existent.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

It's not a joke otherwise I wouldn't share it for your own salvation.

Everyone seems to know what God wants when it deems fit for their narrative. Insulting me with swear words is not being kind, the Bible instructs that and the conscience that God has given you tells you that is wrong.

But just as Christ who did wondrous things was persecuted and crucified (Non christian historians even wrote about his crucifixion), I don't expect that I will get much better treatment.