Flags..

[Elephant9]

Just a chat to understand what’s going on with the influx of England and UJ flags all over the streets?

thoughts?
where did it stem from?
is it making you uncomfortable? (It is, me, but not entirely sure why)

There were young men in the Main Street of our small market town (where the only non white people are one of the GPs and the owners and workers in the Chinese and Indian restaurants) waving St George’s flags and chanting “Seig Heil”. Can’t see why anyone would find that remotely alarming. They were only protecting our women and children from a middle aged GP, and some restaurant owners and workers..

I'll use the same line as you shall I? That doesn't happen where I live. But you won't believe that will you. I'm sure you'll change your tune once it's on your doorstep. Insulting my appearance purely based on your opinion of me being a racist is very childish and typical hateful lefty when you don't get your own way.

Ahh well done! Did you manage to get out unscathed unlike many of us?! Please, do tell me - what did your campaigning look like for all of us, not so lucky? Or did you just keep your mouth shut?

I don’t need a congratulations, I need people like you to stop making out it’s a general working class view when it isn’t, and stop implying those of us that don’t agree are class traitors, or other such nonsense.

I live near what used to be a pleasant, busy market town. I no longer go there because I don't feel safe. There are a lot of small groups of asylum seekers (illegal immigrants) hanging around. They live in the hotel on the Main Street. They look threatening.
As a result most of the people I know now shop, meet, drink coffee etc in a place further away in the opposite direction which doesn't have illegal immigrants houses in a hotel.
The main town is struggling. Shops and coffee shops empty.
If you want to call me a racist, then fine.
But I have a right not to feel threatened in my local town. It no longer feels friendly and welcoming.
All the middle classes on here who live in the left wing wokish bubble should try living near my town

Have they done anything, or are they just standing around looking not British?

I’m English and I think they look shit.

They’re cheaply made (from abroad), shit flimsy quality and are tied poorly with string and cable-ties, all wonky, by people who aren’t true patriots. These people don’t respect British Values (they won’t even know what the British Values are). These people want to intimidated non-white people to feel superior and important but hide behind the “we’re against illegal immigrants” narrative.

They also want to “protect women and children” yet they couldn’t give a shit when it was the Women’s Euros. Hardly saw any St George’s crosses a few weeks ago when we won. They slated women’s football. They don’t give 2 shits about women and girls.

Yes, they approach people and ask for money

Terrifying.

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants until their claims are processed and refused.

And I don't live in a middle class area / bubble miles away from hotels housing asylum seekers.

I’m asking you, someone who is so vocal in what you think is right or wrong, to tell us all what you did when thousands of little white British girls up and down the country, were being groomed, raped vaginally, orally and anally, trafficked, threatened (along with their families), tortured and inpregnated for being white working class - sub-human in the eyes of the groups of Pakistani Muslims with the full support of their wives who knew all about it. Little girls who were not protected by police, the local governments or other authorities because of ‘cohesion’ and a fear of being labelled racist. What did you come and say then? What did you say when the Jay report was released in 2014?

What did any of you, who are throwing strops about flags, do then?

I'm interested in your sarcastic comment "do the look not British". Are you assuming that all zBritish people look the same or are white. ?
Now that is definitely racist

How do you know they’re groups of asylum seekers if you’re not doing it based on sight. Have you asked them all?

I didn’t say not white. I said looking non British. Because you’ve established they’re asylum seekers.

If they are being flown all the time then great. But we know the reason they are being flown is not to show patriotism but to intimidate anyone that they feel aren't English. The flags aren't the problem but the reason behind flying them is a massive and escalating problem

Honest answer?

Nothing. I was 23 in 2013, obviously therefore 24 in 2014.

At that age, I didn’t know where Rotherham was, nevermind anything that went on there. The whole thing will have gone directly over my head.

I can’t recall what I was doing at 23, working in a call centre I think. Possibly. But I know I wasn’t watching the news.

I saw a government post this week stating that it’s a myth that we give them phones. It’s asylum charities that provide them, not the taxpayer.

@MyFoodBillHasGoneUpAgain You are very typical of a UK public who sees a couple of bad apples, and extrapolates their wrongdoing to taint an entire demographic. The facts are there.

These ‘luxury’ hotel rooms have been stripped of facilities and had three extra beds stuck in there. I’m not sure how hard up you’d have to be yourself to describe a Travelodge with no TV as “luxurious”.

They get £9 a day for food, clothes, toiletries, phone top ups, transport, haircuts etc. That is NOT a luxury lifestyle. It’s poverty. These are facts, easily verifiable facts.

If some toe-rag is crammed into a room full of designer goods then he’s obviously obtained them by nefarious means and should face the full force of the law.

But using that anger against entirely innocent people who have done no wrong, and are living an absolute dog’s life in limbo in awful conditions waiting for their asylum application to be dealt with is cruel, unfair and really stupid. There are far more asylum seekers who take their own lives than rich ones poncing of the government.

It’s the same as fucking idiots who see a person on PIP going on holiday, and declare that all disabled people are scamming fraudsters and resent their meagre benefits. It’s a vile trait that makes me feel ashamed to be British.

And what did YOU do when ten times as many girls were being abused by white British men?

This.

There are 3 of us in my house. If you filled my fridge with food (which isn’t how they’re fed, they’re given essentially bread and rice) and then £27… we’d be skint within the day.

They’re absolutely not welcomed in with luxury.

At 24 years old, you weren’t aware of 1400 girls being raped and worse in just one town alone? Not the rest of the towns with the same issues up and down the country? Not one little nugget of information about it? Social Media was a thing then yeah? I wonder why that is. What have you done since about it still happening?

Have you publicly supported Sammy Woodhouse, another of Rotherham’s victims, who had a child with her rapist. He was one of the few who went to prison for it, in her campaign to stop fathers of children born to rape being able to be granted parental responsibility like what he did? Surely you have publicly supported that? Or would that be racist too?

Campaigned. As I have done since it happened to me. Girls being abused is, what shall I say, very close to my heart, after what I went through. I think you’re getting yourself in a muddle tho - which white, British grooming gang, were protected by police, social services, local and national government because of racial tensions and community cohesion? Which is still ongoing.

You read and understood what I said.

What’s with the anger? You seem deeply offended that I’m not from your exact postcode.

I’m not a traitor to the people of Rotherham for not believing that it’s acceptable to shouty march outside of hotels and set stuff on fire.

It isn’t, end of story.

I’m from Rotherham. Still live here now.

Please ignore the poster trying to shame you. You absolutely do not have to explain yourself.

I’m not angry at you love! I’m angry that when things were happening to children in this country, not just Rotherham (you’d have to be really ignorant to not have heard of Rochdale or any other of the towns!) you were all nowhere to be seen. None of you are willing to be seen now either. I’d hazard a guess that 99% of the people on this thread didn’t do anything. But shouting about flags and racism is easy isn’t it? It’s hypocritical.

Nowhere have I said rioting outside hotels or setting stuff on fire is acceptable, it isn’t. But that’s not what a flag is doing id it? Incidentally, I don’t have a flag either!

You like seeing the England flag being flown with the sole racist purpose of intimidating people?
Oh lovely.

They look threatening

why do they look threatening?

There are foreign looking people in my home town hanging around. They’re not speaking English, they aren’t white, they have deliveroo and just eat bags. I’m assuming they are probably immigrants of some sort, I see them coming and going from the hotel round the corner where asylum seekers are based.

I don’t feel threatened by them. They haven’t approached me for money. The only people who ask me for money are the white English “homeless” people in shop doorways.

I volunteer for a homeless charity in the town by the way, I wonder how many of the people suddenly concerned that immigrants get housing over “our homeless “ volunteer.

also asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants. It’s legal to claim asylum. 1951 refugee convention. Around half of asylum applications are granted, so they must have had a reason for being allowed to stay. Many others win their appeals. I do agree the process should be quicker and people who aren’t granted asylum should be made to leave.