Flags..

[Elephant9]

Just a chat to understand what’s going on with the influx of England and UJ flags all over the streets?

thoughts?
where did it stem from?
is it making you uncomfortable? (It is, me, but not entirely sure why)

Beggin' his pardon. 😁

Because people feel threatened they, see what’s happening in other places and don’t want similar to happen there. The immigration situation across Europe is out of control, you must be able to see that? Labelling people “thick” just because they don’t think the same as you reflects badly.

interesting you express a preference of moving away from people who aren’t like you, yet criticise those who don’t want people who they consider aren’t like them moving on near them.

You are having a laugh aren’t you? Racial tensions have run high in Birmingham for decades and not just between whites and people of colour

I do think that unless you live in such an area where community tensions are sky high and perhaps not the multicultural utopia often presented on here, you should refrain from expressing an opinion. You can't force people to celebrate diversity whilst sitting in your m/c white majority rural idyll where your reality is somewhat different from impoverished, transient neighbourhood packed to the gills with hmos.

No, they're being fed a narrative and falling for it, hook, line and sinker. I've heard people state categorically that we're not allowed to fly the St George or Union flags. Both are on permanent display in the town centre. There's a shop permanently flying the union flag and armed forces day flag (owner is ex service).

Most immigration into the UK is perfectly legal. Scaremongering doesn't help integration.

I don't like my town at the moment. There is a febrile undercurrent. There are very few people who are 'not like us' in the town. Less than 2%. Hysteria has been whipped up by some who are trying to divide rather than unite. Locals are blaming 'other' for situations they have some control over themselves but choose not to try to change, and for situations they have little control over, but can certainly not be blamed on immigration.

PeanutCup, I live in a Durham pit village. There ain't nothing middle class about it. The population is 98.3% white. Yet we're up to our eyeballs in flags. Fortunately the appalling racist banner was removed after a few days. The community tensions here are between the white population putting up the flags and the white population who want them down but daren't say so for fear of abuse and worse.

You think not wanting to live next to people because of their beliefs is the same as not wanting to live next to people because of their skin colour?

Ok.

And if being a minority is always threatening does that mean you think every black and brown person living in a white majority area should feel threatened.

As a Brummie…this is a lie.

Well they are not a minority are they. You are, for some weird reason lumping all “POC” into one group.

The largest single group in Brum, is still white British people.

So to be clear you view white immigrants as “us” but black and brown Britons as “not us”

So for you it is about race. I don’t know why you view “not us” as down to skin colour.

Although at least you’re more honest than those who claim the concerns about immigration have nothing to do with race.

Driving home tonight, I saw a lot of flags proudly hanging - I thought they looked good!

It’s a common trope among the anti-immigrant brigade. Anybody with a different view is apparently “middle class” and lives in a “white middle class enclave”.

It’s rather ironic that those who complain about being labelled are happy to rapidly apply their own labels to dismiss what others have to say.

So to be clear you haven’t been able to comprehend my post. Let me set it out a little bit clearer for you. I mention white British (.42%). The white immigrants who make up the 6% to bring the white population up to 48% are likely to not be seen as part of the same tribe as the 42% either but won’t be as easily identifiable as other.

i hope that has helped you see that your post is utter nonsense. I am also not saying that is my perspective but it is evolutionarily speaking the fall back position re a tribal mentality. This mentality can be superficially over ridden if it is beneficial for the individual to do so, but humans are fundamentally tribal.

Why is race the divider you choose to use ?

Why not eg age, gender, sexuality, socioeconomic class, hair colour, height ?

Why are you obsessed with race in particular ?

I’m not sure what you don’t understand. It is Us and not us - two groups white British and not white British. Man united fans not Man united fans, Lions and not lions

I know you desperately want to see something else, but humans are fundamentally tribal. Look at the way we form groups and interact with other groups. Sometimes we over ride the default position when it benefits us but the default position remains.

It is the divider being discussed here, of course other dividers exist sex (gender doesn’t exist separately), socio economic status etc. But whether people chose to reject or work with other groups depends on whether setting aside the differences is beneficial or not. Setting aside sex differences is vital to the continuance of the human race so these tribes can choose to work together peacefully or there might be an incidence of one tribe trying to enslave or dominate the other. Surely you can work out this point yourself.

why are you intent on trying to concentrate on calling other people racist when they are setting out fundamental human behaviour.

Do your nationalist loons paint all the traffic roundabouts and write slightly intimidating slogans in giant, messy lettering on the sides of buildings?

Pissed off that my backward, historical little market town is being defaced.

Do you discriminate between people born in the UK and not born in the UK?

That may be so. But the fact you live in a 98% majority white area tells me that you can not comprehend multicultural living. It's outside the scope of your experience. Nothing wrong with that, it's not a criticism but you will see things very differently to those who do.

I've lived in Sydney and Hong Kong.
ETA and spent over 12 months in Wellington and London.

I'm sorry, but that means what exactly? Were you living in diverse, largely multicultural areas or ex pat communities?

Do you know Sydney? Marrickville is a pretty diverse area........ Actually I'm not sure why I'm explaining myself to you. I have plenty experience of living in multicultural areas. I know racist arseholery when I see it, and I know when people are being led by the nose.

Sydney doesn't have 'expat' communities. Neither does London or Wellington as far as I'm aware 😁. Hong King's 'expat' communities are largely Chinese, so I suppose they are, indeed, expat.

So is it multicultural living that’s the problem, or an expanding population?

How would I possibly know where you lived in Hong Kong and Sydney?! 🤷 you don't have to explain yourself to anyone but if you're trying to ' make a point', make it obvious by imparting the relevant information. Otherwise it's all a bit well, pointless.

Why do you think either are a problem?