Flags..

[Elephant9]

Just a chat to understand what’s going on with the influx of England and UJ flags all over the streets?

thoughts?
where did it stem from?
is it making you uncomfortable? (It is, me, but not entirely sure why)

What gives you the right to speak for all the working class about how they feel and what they are doing? You do not speak for me!

But immigration and lack of intergration is wholly responsible for the problems multiculturalism brings. Due to the higher numbers of immigrants in more economically disadvantaged areas the poor are likely to be disproportionately negatively affected by this multiculturalism.

Because the Union Flag isn't the English flag, it represents the countries of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, hence why it's flown at Royal events. The Flag of St George has been the English flag since the Middle Ages. It doesn't belong to a minority of knuckle-dragging right wingers/football hooligans and never has. It's time for reasonable people to wrestle it off them and reclaim it, not to stop flying it.

Anyone else seeing the irony of all the patriotic flag waving at a time when polling says 3 quarters of Britains wouldn’t fight if the Country came under attack!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2099931/nearly-three-quarters-brits-unwilling

Those area are not disadvantaged because of multiculturalism.

Those people are not poor because of multiculturalism.

But they are being told to blame immigrants instead of the inequality & wealth extraction imposed by the ultra-rich & politicians.

Having lived in an ever increasing multicultural area, immigration is a very real issue though, or more appropriately the lack of integration.

It is not the economic issue that most people care about, it’s the fact that a once close knit community now has neighbours who can’t really speak English, want to keep in their own communities, so suddenly people are more isolated, the teachers in school spend more time compensating for kids who can’t speak English well, that again the only hang round on their own communities, so your child is disadvantaged in the amount of time the teacher spends with them and are rejected from groups.that facilities close down because they are of no interest to your new neighbours, New ones spring up that are of no interest to you. That you have nothing in common with your new neighbours, you don’t share similar cultural reference points, don’t share the same world view or societal values, in short people feel their community is being destroyed.

I find it very interesting that the middle class don’t seem to have a grasp on the issues, assuming it’s all about money. The largely WC areas generally aren’t as money focused, but they are community focused. But the community is being fragmented by immigration.

please tead my most recent post. You are focusing too much on the economics - the real issue is the fragmentation of communities caused by multiculturalism.

Maybe people don’t think that the country as it stands is worth fighting for. People might feel that their values are being overridden, people might feel the country as it stands is not benefitting them. I don’t think there’s any irony, I think it’s entirely consistent with people feeling ostracised in their own country. The movement to bring back more pride is an attempt to reshape the country into something worth fighting for.

I suspect the number of people who would take up the fight would be significantly higher if there was an actual war. I’d be interested to see how many immigrants would fight to protect our country

I live in an ex pit village/town with a population that is 98.3% white. We're swamped with flags, and people wanting to 'take back control'. I have feck all idea who they want to take back control from. The racism, loudly and proudly stated in the pubs, shops, local FB pages etc over the last couple of weeks is so bloody depressing.

'Protect our women and children' - but no murmer about protecting them from the people most likely to inflict violence and assault, those nearest and 'dearest' to them

Ostracised by who, though? The country is majorly white, majorly UK born, especially outside the largest cities.

Which values are you talking about? Plenty of Brits don't seem to subscribe to what I'd class as important values - work hard, look after your family, value your children's education, don't break the law, don't take part in antisocial behaviour. Generally don't be a dick.

What's happening at the moment will not bring back more pride. The instigators don't seem to be interested in doing anything that will intrinsically improve their lives and/or the lives of anyone else. They're sowing division and hatred with their daubs, causing their environments to look a complete mess, costing cash strapped councils money they can I'll afford to remove graffiti and repaint roundabouts etc.

I live in York, 95.8% white, yet as far as I can tell the flag stuff actually started here, and it was here where the Chinese takeaway was vandalised by local white supremacists concerned parents.

I’m originally from Billingham. 97% White British, and also covered in flags (from what I’m told).

Not sure who they’re telling, because there’s very few immigrants of any kind there to see them, and likely absolutely no asylum seekers.

I live in Cheshire now. Prestbury, in the “golden triangle” is where I saw my first painted roundabout. Very unlikely there’s an asylum seeker hotel there either.

They’re screaming into the void.

But you clearly haven’t bothered to read my posts, yes those are the statistics across the country. In Birmingham whites (inc those immigrants who are white) actually form only around 48% of the population. People of colour form the majority. It’s no use trying to make the demographics of some white middle class village relevant for a white person living in a majority non white area. The position is they’re the minority where they live,

There’s a lot of middle class privilege on Mumsnet, there’s a lot of condescending comments on here from people who think they know better. Many people are feeling helpless and unheard - they do not have the social standing or finances to make changes in the way you think they should. They feel that drawing a flag at least gets them noticed, at least they are doing something.

it’s the faux superiority complex of the Middle class (and Left) not listening to very real concerns about what is being experienced in these communities which has allowed the far right to get a foothold. Maybe if they stopped telling these people they’re “thick racists” and got off their high horse to listen and understand the issue would improve somewhat.

At the moment there’s a lot of people passing judgement on situations and people they have no real understanding of.

I’ve just had a quick look and in the 2021 census 491,179 stated White British, of any variety.

That was still the biggest individual group.

Cumulatively, the POC/White figures may look like you’re a minority. But actually, if you’re White British in Birmingham, you’re still the biggest individual group, so therefore you’re actually the majority.

But they still do not make up the majority. In human tribalism there is us and not us. From a British white persons perspective (42% in Birmingham) the majority are “not us” and don’t forget this is across a large area in some areas of the city white British will not form part of the largest groups.

What effort are you making to understand the perspective of these people? Or do their voices not matter to you? Would you rather just label them to fit your narrative

'It’s no use trying to make the demographics of some white middle class village relevant for a white person living in a majority non white area. The position is they’re the minority where they live,'

White, middle class village.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Have a look at Durham pit villages. Away with your m/c shite.

Anyway - your post still doesn't explain why a town of 98.3% white inhabitants is swamped with St George flags.

I' m as working class as they come. And I can spot thick, racist knob heads when I see them. I'm really starting to wish I lived in a nice m/c town, because at the moment, my town doesn't feel like home.

I was clear in my post that it is not fair to judge all those participating in and supporting a movement by their worst excesses and examples.

I'm really not keen on the values of activists who like to hang up rainbow flags as I feel they're very hostile to the rights of women, gay people and children. But I don't assume they're all pedophiles just because a lot of them turn out to be pedophiles... some however would argue that that is the inevitable endpoint when queer theory is followed through. That it is an intrinsic part of the ideaology. However, I'm quite sure most people who wave a rainbow flag do not think this way, or are complicit in these extremes.

I agree that graffiti is unacceptable and I would hate to see it where I live. Do you understand my point now?

I’m plucking out of thin air here, because there are many pit villages. But that’s the first time anyone’s ever called Ferryhill middle class.

To be fair, given that there are only 8 million UK males aged 18-40, it’s only around 12% of the population that would be eligible to fight.

That’s a shame, because I don’t look at any POC as “them.” Or “not us.”

Birmingham has been multicultural for many, many years. This isn’t new, and those protests are (relatively). Why the sudden anger?

Not Ferryhill but not far off. Definitely not m/c by any qualifier 😁

Zero qualifier 😂

Commiserations on your Darren Grimes.

Totally agree. Why does it matter if white people aren’t the majority? Surely only a racist would think this was an issue? A non white person born in the uk is as British as a white person. 🤷🏻‍♀️

He makes my skin crawl. I keep an eye on his twitter feed and some of the inflammatory guff he comes out with beggars belief. That this county would be happy with someone like Wrafty Cank (love a Spoonerism) in charge is very strange.

That’s Councillor Wafty Crank, to you.