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To be fascinated by tidy people

788 replies

tangerinemagic · 25/08/2025 14:14

I’m just not tidy. Nor is my husband. We try. Actually very hard. We have two young children and a dog but there is literally stuff everywhere, all of the time.

I live in London, so we naturally have many parent friends right on our doorstep and there is a ‘drop in’ culture where we might wrap up a playground or common trip and head to each others houses.

Ours is not fit for that kind of spontaneity but others fling open their doors at any time and it’s like no one even lives there.

when conversations come up about chores, cleaning, tidiness, I recoil. They really are extremely tidy people and with young kids. You can’t mistake walking into a tidy persons house, it just feels, different.

The floors and sofa/furniture in our house just don’t look like theirs, even if you have a whip round and tidy you can tell.

So, tidy people, tell me, how do you do it. What are the tips. Was this nurture growing up in a tidy household? Or something you learned? AIBU to be ashamed my pram, car, house is always in need of a clean.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/08/2025 13:11

jnh22 · 26/08/2025 12:30

Yep, this is exactly the situation.

Messy clean for me is no grime, no dust, skirting boards, cupboards, doors clean, house spotless, but cushions messed, school bags in hallway, toaster still on counter, shampoo bottles lose in shower base. Visitors ready in 30.
Not fake clean.

keepincool · 26/08/2025 13:28

@gmgnts If you're at the stage now that you know what to get rid of and you prefer having someone else to handle the removal, Anglo Doorstep Collections could be a better option. They offer free doorstep collection and allow you to choose the charity that will benefit from your donated items. I use them all the time as I don't have a car to transport donations to charity shops.

Anglo Doorstep Collections - Charity Collections

We offer a free charity doorstep collection service. We collect the donations from your door, then donate to your selected charity.

https://anglodoorstepcollections.co.uk/

gmgnts · 26/08/2025 13:30

@keepincool looks like a really good service, but I don't live in England.

jill5676 · 26/08/2025 13:45

I've realised since reading this thread that I'm really bad for putting stuff down and not away. I think it's a combination of being constantly distracted by my toddler, knackered from pregnancy and living in a flat that we've now outgrown. I do declutter as much as I can and I strive to have a place for most things but we are bursting at the seams - we have been house hunting for months but keep getting beaten so it is what it is for now! Recycling is a particular problem - when the bag is full, I can't just nip out the back door for two mins while my toddler plays, we both have to get our shoes on and go all the way downstairs to empty it. So right now, I have cardboard sitting above the bin because it's raining, she's playing nicely and I cba getting us ready for a trip downstairs. Pre kids I was a tidy person so I live in hope that when we have more space (in the next year hopefully) I will find it easier to get back on top of things.

BertieBotts · 26/08/2025 13:45

@DeborahKerr @Parksinyork @Kitchenbattle

Thank you for the responses. I was playing devil's advocate a little bit in that I do actually have better systems for decluttering and keeping the unwanted stuff from coming in in the first place now than I used to, although it's not perfect. But I still think it's very interesting to compare the way we naturally lean because I do catch myself falling into old habits or ways of thinking if I'm not careful. Some of this reflects things I've learnt about myself or from going through some of the decluttering "systems" (Marie Kondo taught me a lot about the importance of getting things out ASAP).

I think the overall patterns from your replies seem to be - people who are naturally tidier think and plan more before buying things, so don't tend to buy things impulsively like food which "seems like a good deal" or seems like a healthy/interesting thing to try which then never gets used up.

People who have too much stuff are perhaps more prone to spotting a bargain or a shiny thing and thinking ooh I want that, without considering how it will fit with their existing things or where they will keep it or whether they have space.

People who are naturally tidier just do things straight away - like returning an unwanted/dysfunctional item to the shop, or listing things online or taking things to the charity shop. They are also less bothered by putting things in the bin, in general.

People who have too much stuff may have intentions to do these things but (IME) the items lie around for ages gathering dust or even worse, getting mixed back into the general chaos and having to be sorted out again endlessly. There is also a common theme of wanting to find the most "optimal" way of getting rid of something. I will never forget the shame I felt when I sold a pair of PJs on vinted which had been in my cupboard for literally years. They still looked good condition, but I hadn't put them on a child in years and hence I did not realise until the buyer let me know that the elastic in the waistband has totally perished! I gave her a refund even though she said she didn't want one, but that definitely pushed me into giving myself a deadline for online sales or I just charity shop the items or if all else fails, they go into a clothing donation bin.

And yes, good observation that I do tend to spend too much time on MN rather than doing useful things Grin (I don't mind this at all, it's true, although I am much better than I used to be.)

It did make a HUGE difference to me when I stopped prioritising getting rid of things in "the most optimal way" (whether money, environmental impact, "waste" etc) and started prioritising whatever actually gets the item out of the house ASAP. So would 100% recommend this, OP.

Then lastly with the McDonalds' and party bag tat - I am much better at just weeding this stuff out ASAP when I see it and they have lost interest now - my problem before was that I couldn't whisk it away immediately because it would upset the children who usually delight in this stuff of course. And then once the initial novelty value of the toy had passed, I was not classifying it as junk to be got rid of, I valued it equally as all their other stuff because it was one of their possessions, and I feel strongly that it is important not to throw out children's stuff behind their backs (this is also something I have flexed on - I now think under a certain age, it's OK and even a kindness to do this, but once they get older, I do involve them in decision making about what to keep.)

DS1 and DS3 are unfortunately goblin hoarders like me, although DS1 got better about it as he got older and is almost minimalist now. DS2 is hilariously ruthless and doesn't care, mainly because he actually appreciates the space/clean areas.

DH was more ruthless than me when we first got together and he is more likely to "tidy" (which he does by shoving everything into whatever space exists anywhere in a room, and wantonly throwing out everything that looks vaguely like rubbish, including some things which are not). I am much more meticulous and detailed, but this means I am very slow and it takes more energy for me to clean up/declutter. I can look at a pile of "rubbish", and pick things out of it that I actually wanted to keep. And I don't like putting things in every random space, I want to put things away properly, which slows me down if there isn't a proper place for the thing. So I am getting there slowly especially with Dana K White (she has the A Slob Comes Clean podcast). Her technique is good for anyone who struggles to finish tasks, because it's little by little and doesn't make a bigger mess in the process.

I actually think we have reached a point now where I reject a lot of my previous borderline-hoarding tendencies and DH has more of the "I need to keep it in case it comes in useful later" and I am itching to go through all his stuff and decimate it. But I have learnt that it genuinely is more helpful for me to focus 100% on my own stuff, and the rest of the household follows.

Aweecupofteaandabiscuit · 26/08/2025 13:48

My house is not a showhome, which is not realistic when you have very young children IMO, but it generally looks pretty good and ready for People. I have trained myself to do the following without really thinking about it -

  1. never leave a room empty handed. There will be something nearby that belongs where you are going.
  2. if something crosses my path which is used/broken/part of a scattered set/tat, it’s leaving NOW.
  3. use all the odd few seconds here and there - while the kettle is boiling, dinner is cooking, kids are bathing, find something nearby to clean/sort/tick off the list
  4. stuff for the dump goes straight in the car boot, no piles allowed in this house
  5. I have a little plastic bag stash in strategic locations so that if the moods strikes to clear out a drawer or something, I’m good to go
  6. aim to always leave a room a little bit better than I found it
  7. flip the narrative - tidying is not a punishment, it’s something you do to get the reward (in my case light a candle and watch some tv in a lovely calm space at night when the kids are asleep, instead of having to either muster the energy for a big clean up that late in the day or sit in a big mess)
KindnessIsKey123 · 26/08/2025 13:51

MiloMinderbinder925 · 25/08/2025 14:22

You need to mercilessly declutter and declutter regularly.

This!!

Having less really helps. We have one frying pan, and when it wears out, I throw it away and buy another one. Once a month a bag of toys clothes to a charity shop. If you open the wardrobe & there’s an item of clothing that you would never wear get rid of it there and then.
Odd socks, get rid.
bit of old makeup, next time you use your makeup bag, just throw the old bits in the bin.

When you get the Christmas decorations out, if theres stuff there that you haven’t used in three years put it in the charity bag. It becomes a habit.

plus just create some ‘rules’ that everyone follows. For example, if there are always shoes in the corridor, buy a box or trunk, and shoes are taken off put in there & the lid shut.

before I go to bed every night, I collect all the cups from the sitting room and they had to go in the sink in the dishwasher.

There is an Instagram account called space for simplicity which I like.

Parksinyork · 26/08/2025 13:53

BertieBotts · 26/08/2025 13:45

@DeborahKerr @Parksinyork @Kitchenbattle

Thank you for the responses. I was playing devil's advocate a little bit in that I do actually have better systems for decluttering and keeping the unwanted stuff from coming in in the first place now than I used to, although it's not perfect. But I still think it's very interesting to compare the way we naturally lean because I do catch myself falling into old habits or ways of thinking if I'm not careful. Some of this reflects things I've learnt about myself or from going through some of the decluttering "systems" (Marie Kondo taught me a lot about the importance of getting things out ASAP).

I think the overall patterns from your replies seem to be - people who are naturally tidier think and plan more before buying things, so don't tend to buy things impulsively like food which "seems like a good deal" or seems like a healthy/interesting thing to try which then never gets used up.

People who have too much stuff are perhaps more prone to spotting a bargain or a shiny thing and thinking ooh I want that, without considering how it will fit with their existing things or where they will keep it or whether they have space.

People who are naturally tidier just do things straight away - like returning an unwanted/dysfunctional item to the shop, or listing things online or taking things to the charity shop. They are also less bothered by putting things in the bin, in general.

People who have too much stuff may have intentions to do these things but (IME) the items lie around for ages gathering dust or even worse, getting mixed back into the general chaos and having to be sorted out again endlessly. There is also a common theme of wanting to find the most "optimal" way of getting rid of something. I will never forget the shame I felt when I sold a pair of PJs on vinted which had been in my cupboard for literally years. They still looked good condition, but I hadn't put them on a child in years and hence I did not realise until the buyer let me know that the elastic in the waistband has totally perished! I gave her a refund even though she said she didn't want one, but that definitely pushed me into giving myself a deadline for online sales or I just charity shop the items or if all else fails, they go into a clothing donation bin.

And yes, good observation that I do tend to spend too much time on MN rather than doing useful things Grin (I don't mind this at all, it's true, although I am much better than I used to be.)

It did make a HUGE difference to me when I stopped prioritising getting rid of things in "the most optimal way" (whether money, environmental impact, "waste" etc) and started prioritising whatever actually gets the item out of the house ASAP. So would 100% recommend this, OP.

Then lastly with the McDonalds' and party bag tat - I am much better at just weeding this stuff out ASAP when I see it and they have lost interest now - my problem before was that I couldn't whisk it away immediately because it would upset the children who usually delight in this stuff of course. And then once the initial novelty value of the toy had passed, I was not classifying it as junk to be got rid of, I valued it equally as all their other stuff because it was one of their possessions, and I feel strongly that it is important not to throw out children's stuff behind their backs (this is also something I have flexed on - I now think under a certain age, it's OK and even a kindness to do this, but once they get older, I do involve them in decision making about what to keep.)

DS1 and DS3 are unfortunately goblin hoarders like me, although DS1 got better about it as he got older and is almost minimalist now. DS2 is hilariously ruthless and doesn't care, mainly because he actually appreciates the space/clean areas.

DH was more ruthless than me when we first got together and he is more likely to "tidy" (which he does by shoving everything into whatever space exists anywhere in a room, and wantonly throwing out everything that looks vaguely like rubbish, including some things which are not). I am much more meticulous and detailed, but this means I am very slow and it takes more energy for me to clean up/declutter. I can look at a pile of "rubbish", and pick things out of it that I actually wanted to keep. And I don't like putting things in every random space, I want to put things away properly, which slows me down if there isn't a proper place for the thing. So I am getting there slowly especially with Dana K White (she has the A Slob Comes Clean podcast). Her technique is good for anyone who struggles to finish tasks, because it's little by little and doesn't make a bigger mess in the process.

I actually think we have reached a point now where I reject a lot of my previous borderline-hoarding tendencies and DH has more of the "I need to keep it in case it comes in useful later" and I am itching to go through all his stuff and decimate it. But I have learnt that it genuinely is more helpful for me to focus 100% on my own stuff, and the rest of the household follows.

Thank you but I’m not a naturally tidier! I’m the opposite so everything I’ve done I’ve learnt and my house if far from
perfect.

BertieBotts · 26/08/2025 13:58

Ah - perhaps I should have labelled the tidy group "People who have their stuff under control" but it was a bit long Grin

It's obviously not a true binary anyway. I just find it interesting when you can see behaviour patterns on a scale between two groups. I think we all have a tendency to assume our own way of being is the "norm" and I love figuring out what the unwritten rules are that people live by. I think this is genuinely what helps us make changes for the better.

NamechangeNightNurse · 26/08/2025 13:59

RedOnyx · 26/08/2025 11:42

I am definitely not naturally tidy and as far as I can tell it really is a case of never sitting down. All the people saying "clean as you go" - it sounds sensible in principle but it's almost like I have a mental block. So I see a letter on the table. Okay, I should take that to the room where it belongs. But then if I just put it on the desk there all I've done is move the clutter, so I need to punch holes in the paper, find the right folder and file it away. It would probably only take a minute but all I see is extra work. And once I've done that there'll be something else that I can "just quickly" do: the dishwasher will have finished, or my daughter has finished the snack that was keeping her occupied while I tidied away the letter, which means crumbs need sweeping (even though I hoovered after work before picking her up from nursery). Then she needs a nappy change and afterwards her bin bag is full, so that goes in the big bin, which then needs to be emptied and taken down. Then two new bin bags to be put in... theoretically all short tasks but now it's been half an hour since I saw the stupid letter on the table and I didn't even get to sit down for 1 minute while my daughter ate her snack.

I have childhood memories of my mum cleaning on a Saturday morning, complaining about us being in the way - making us lift our feet so she could hoover, dusting the TV while we were trying to watch Saturday morning cartoons. It all seemed very stressful! My sister and I had the job of cleaning the kitchen after dinner - dishes washed, dried and put away, sides and hob wiped, flood swept. If my step dad was home he would check our work and go mad if it wasn't done properly. To this day I hate washing dishes - so glad the dishwasher does most of it! But I still have to wash the disgusting frying pans, then the dishwasher has to be emptied and refilled. And on and on it goes.

So you would just ignore the letter, nappy bin and crumbs?Confused
Im a bit puzzled?
So you just leave it and sit down?
Seems to be a weird sitting down obsession on here or is that really scrolling on phone?

When I get in I just do what needs doing ,sort bags, post and dinner, feed pets then while I have a bath run the robot vacuum.
Eat dinner, then clear up, wipe surfaces, run dishwasher ,empty bin and prep work bag etc
Done!!!
Usually it's about 7.30 and then I will watch something
DH always empties the dishwasher
Everything is clean and tidy,ready for the next day.

NamechangeNightNurse · 26/08/2025 13:59

So you would just ignore the letter, nappy bin and crumbs?Confused
Im a bit puzzled?
So you just leave it and sit down?
Seems to be a weird sitting down obsession on here or is that really scrolling on phone?

When I get in I just do what needs doing ,sort bags, post and dinner, feed pets then while I have a bath run the robot vacuum.
Eat dinner, then clear up, wipe surfaces, run dishwasher ,empty bin and prep work bag etc
Done!!!
Usually it's about 7.30 and then I will watch something
DH always empties the dishwasher
Everything is clean and tidy,ready for the next day.

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 14:11

NamechangeNightNurse · 26/08/2025 13:59

So you would just ignore the letter, nappy bin and crumbs?Confused
Im a bit puzzled?
So you just leave it and sit down?
Seems to be a weird sitting down obsession on here or is that really scrolling on phone?

When I get in I just do what needs doing ,sort bags, post and dinner, feed pets then while I have a bath run the robot vacuum.
Eat dinner, then clear up, wipe surfaces, run dishwasher ,empty bin and prep work bag etc
Done!!!
Usually it's about 7.30 and then I will watch something
DH always empties the dishwasher
Everything is clean and tidy,ready for the next day.

Do you have young kids?

NamechangeNightNurse · 26/08/2025 14:27

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 14:11

Do you have young kids?

They are slightly older but even when they were small the evening routine was the same plus feed them, bathe them and into bed.
All jobs done
For a start if I came in and sat down I would be stalked by the pets !

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 14:32

NamechangeNightNurse · 26/08/2025 14:27

They are slightly older but even when they were small the evening routine was the same plus feed them, bathe them and into bed.
All jobs done
For a start if I came in and sat down I would be stalked by the pets !

I don't know if your kids went to bed very early or you get home from work early but it's not achievable for most people who work and have young kids to be sat down with everything done at 7:30pm. That's not something that can be changed by being slightly more efficient with sweeping crumbs or filing a letter either. You'd need a time machine to make that timeline work.

JollyUmberDeer · 26/08/2025 14:33

Because living in a mess is not relaxing. How people relax in messy and especially unclean surroundings is also hard to fathom.

justasking111 · 26/08/2025 14:36

When I had three boys at home I used a laundry basket kept at the bottom of the stairs. If it belonged upstairs in the basket it went. What annoyed me was the lengths my four males did to avoid carrying it up for me. They'd walk round it, climb over it and swear they hadn't noticed it 🙄

Sharptonguedwoman · 26/08/2025 15:02

tangerinemagic · 25/08/2025 14:21

Tried to do that but really don’t succeed. I have a tendency to throw things down as soon as we get home as kids are so full on. I need to try harder. What about clothes in bedroom? Do you hang things up once you try them on? I have so many clothes out at all times!

If I go into my bedroom for something I make sure I put away one thing-sort of nibbles away at the heap. When I hoover and dust (once a week or so) everything gets tidies up. Takes 10 minutes max.

chipsticksmammy · 26/08/2025 15:25

I was way more tidy with 2 kids under 5, as it was a lot easier. I was on the sofa evening no later than 8 and the house was spotless.

Now they are older the mess they make is huge, there is a lot more washing, bigger bags, more activities, more stuff in general, and they cook and make snacks.

MiddleAgeRageMonster · 26/08/2025 15:41

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 14:32

I don't know if your kids went to bed very early or you get home from work early but it's not achievable for most people who work and have young kids to be sat down with everything done at 7:30pm. That's not something that can be changed by being slightly more efficient with sweeping crumbs or filing a letter either. You'd need a time machine to make that timeline work.

I have said this on here before, since my children were born (18 & 15 now) I have been getting up at 4.45am and doing 90% of household chores before I go to work (I have worked full time since the first child was 6 months old). This includes but is not limited to:-
Full spary down and wipe of all kitchen surfaces, load/empty dishwasher.
Hoover.
Clean bathroom (minimum sink and toilet, other surfaces if there is time.)
Bigger jobs done over a couple of hours at the weekend.
I also have time to shower, do my hair and makeup before starting work at 8am!
I do not sit down until the things I deem necessary have been done, there would be no point as I couldn't relax in a mess.

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 15:45

MiddleAgeRageMonster · 26/08/2025 15:41

I have said this on here before, since my children were born (18 & 15 now) I have been getting up at 4.45am and doing 90% of household chores before I go to work (I have worked full time since the first child was 6 months old). This includes but is not limited to:-
Full spary down and wipe of all kitchen surfaces, load/empty dishwasher.
Hoover.
Clean bathroom (minimum sink and toilet, other surfaces if there is time.)
Bigger jobs done over a couple of hours at the weekend.
I also have time to shower, do my hair and makeup before starting work at 8am!
I do not sit down until the things I deem necessary have been done, there would be no point as I couldn't relax in a mess.

And if that works for you then that's brilliant. None of us can want more than a lifestyle that protects our wellbeing.

But at the same time hopefully you can see that this wouldn't work for everyone and someone having the temerity to sleep in until 6am before working full-time and looking after kids isn't lazy or dirty or slovenly. Wanting to sleep or sit down or have a rest doesn't make you less than even if that means a letter is on a table in the hall or there are crumbs on the floor.

MiddleAgeRageMonster · 26/08/2025 16:04

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 15:45

And if that works for you then that's brilliant. None of us can want more than a lifestyle that protects our wellbeing.

But at the same time hopefully you can see that this wouldn't work for everyone and someone having the temerity to sleep in until 6am before working full-time and looking after kids isn't lazy or dirty or slovenly. Wanting to sleep or sit down or have a rest doesn't make you less than even if that means a letter is on a table in the hall or there are crumbs on the floor.

I don't think I said anyone was lazy? That's how I keep on top of everything and I thought that was the point of the thread.

Breadcat24 · 26/08/2025 16:08

I am baffled by messy people- how can you not be annoyed by the mess? How can you concentrate on work or a book or anything with debris around you?
Do you not get fed up of stepping over stuff?
How can you actually clean if there are piles of crap everywhere?
Why do you just not put piles of clothes away or sort them for charity?
Why are you surprised people refuse invitations to come around to dinner after they have seen your kitchen?
Do not put it down put it away! Wipe up spills. Have a big bin.
Tidy the kitchen before you go to bed.
The floor of the hall is not a legitimate storage area. If necessary get a rack or cupboard
If you really have so much debris get something like this for each room- a place where you put the mess to get it out of the way during the week then sort it at the weekend
Lyon Pouffe - Speckled Sand Boucle – DUSK

DeborahKerr · 26/08/2025 16:31

NuffSaidSam · 26/08/2025 14:11

Do you have young kids?

I thought it was even MORE important to keep on top of everything with young kids?

It's the time they entertain themselves, while you do the chore and keep the house tidy? Younger ones in a playpen if you need, pre-school tend to be very "helpful", one of mine was obsessed with the duster and use to dust everything to "help".

The bottom shelf of one my kitchen cabinet had all the tupperware, perfect for one to spend time with, leaving me peace to do everything else. Took a minute to put all the tupperware back in properly

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 26/08/2025 16:34

I am baffled by messy people- how can you not be annoyed by the mess? How can you concentrate on work or a book or anything with debris around you?

Fully agree with Breadcat.
There is just no need for mess.

Nobody would ever need to tidy up if they simply put things away every time they were used..

BertieBotts · 26/08/2025 16:47
  • How can you not be annoyed by the mess?

Sometimes I am, mostly I don't notice it unless I'm making a conscious effort to tidy up.

  • How can you concentrate on work or a book or anything with debris around you?

I don't see how this would impact on concentration, even though I do believe people who say it does! To me though, unless the debris is between my eyes and the page of the book, or creating a nasty smell or something, it's not impacting on anything. I don't notice any difference in concentration in a tidy vs messy environment. Background noise bothers me much more.

  • Do you not get fed up of stepping over stuff?

A bit, especially in the dark, but I was used to it so it didn't register most of the time.

  • How can you actually clean if there are piles of crap everywhere?

You can't. It's very difficult to clean properly. That was something I didn't really understand until I reduced the amount of stuff I had.

  • Why do you just not put piles of clothes away or sort them for charity?

I do this now, but previously I used to keep a lot of clothes I'd not wear because I thought I liked having more options. I do like having options, but I've found there is not much point in having loads of options that I keep rejecting for whatever reason.

  • Why are you surprised people refuse invitations to come around to dinner after they have seen your kitchen?

This never happened to me 🤷🏼‍♀️ or I didn't notice if they made polite excuses, but TBH, I never used to invite people over for dinner when my house was a tip.

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