Biological sex should be shared with potential relationships/ONS/dates.

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I think that biological sex should be shared not the gender you think you are/want to be. That's honest and in my opinion respectful.

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YANBU biological sex should be shared not just chosen gender
YABU no just tell your chosen gender

Dead right, about the supposedly inclusive and omnitolerant younger lot. Tolerant within very strict confines, I’d say. On the other side of fences erected to protect cherished groups/ activities/modes of presentation, it’s a very different scene, where howling wolves and heavily armed guards are on the lookout for disaffected citizens/non believers to bring down.
I realise it’s probably just old age speaking, but I swear things were very much freer, and certainly kinder, when I was the age of the average modern protester.
The Anti Nazi/Rock Against Racism crowd, for example, must surely have included homophobes and misogynists, but spittle-flecked hatred wasn’t the usual reaction, let alone tireless demands that the minority identified by the odd bigot be forced to undergo brainwashing in order to remain within the larger group.
I was thinking about David Lynch’s memorable battle cry in the face of anti-trans intransigence in his industry, and have to conclude that it now applies far better as an admonition to (some of) the very people he sought to support: ‘Fix your hearts, or die!’

Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk.

Fgs this is nonsense.

Not disclosing this info is attempted sex by deception and that is against the law.

"Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk."

Then a male person needs to be very upfront then about their identity before they get themselves into a risky situation. No one should be attacking anyone, however, also no one should be putting themselves in a position of negating another person's consent about a sexual relationship.

I agree that ones biological sex needs to be divulged before getting involved with anyone. Its the one thing I drummed into my son who is trans. He has never had a relationship as just not interested right now but he knows if ever he does want to meet someone he needs to let them know on day one that he is biologically female. If he then gets rejected then so be it, at least he would be open and honest and give the person the decision to walk away, even if rejection hurts.

But wanting to date someone of a certain biological sex is not “an issue” as if it’s a trifling preference. It’s pretty much the default first criteria you look for in a person you’re looking to date. It’s not like preferring redheads or pilots.

Along the same strand, I would expect anyone with an STD (especially a very serious one) to disclose this to someone they were looking to date (and especially before any intimacy) pretty pronto. The onus should not be on the other person to ask every prospective partner before sex if they have HIV for example. (Though most people use barrier protection with new partners because lots of people lie or know the other person might not know themselves if they have anything).

The person with the hidden or stealth condition/appearance that they KNOW societally is not the one that most people would engage with by default should be giving their partner all the information so they can make informed consent.

I actually see no good intentioned reason why a trans person wouldn’t be upfront with someone immediately. Isn’t it a lot more of a relief to know that someone wants to date you enthusiastically in the full knowledge that you are a trans person? What’s the reasoning behind withholding such a prominent part of yourself if not deception?

I mean the article I read said the offender told the victim they were on their period. So maybe the young chap isn’t very picky and thought the offender was just a very masculine looking women. Not every gets to be pretty 😅

Ive looked at people before and they could of been either the ones were your young child asks a question and you end up stumped on to if you need to say well that young man or that young lady so fumble along with that person.

Id also imagine for those saying we should ask people on dates if they are trans and putting the onus onto the possible victim. It must be rather insulting to be assumed to be the wrong gender, because if someone asked me if I was trans I’d be leaving thinking I must look manly be very hurt tbh.

If a transwoman passes enough that the person they are wanting to have sex with can't tell they are a man then that transwoman will be lying by omission if they fail to declare their biological sex to someone they are about to have sex with and that omission could land that transwoman in prison.

If the choice is personal risk or prison I'm afraid the transwoman is going to have to make a decision. Maybe being honest at an earlier stage of a relationship could avoid either outcome occurring.

You don't need to discuss your genitalia at all. Just let them know your biological sex, it's not hard, 'I'm born male but identify as a trans woman or born female and identify as a man now" See easy, one sentence. Person can then decide if they wish to date or have sex or whatever. Just honest and straightforward.

Maybe the dating site could have 'male', 'female', then 'trans women' and' trans man' or 'another gender' to cover all the rest of the genders that some people pick from. Not on any dating sites so not sure what they put but to just deceive is wrong. If I was single I wouldn't want to date a trans woman or a trans man. I also wouldn't want to date a lesbian because I'm not lesbian or a bi sexual person. I respect people who don't want to date me, we are all different and should be allowed to decide whom we would want to date or be attracted to.

Deception is wrong, hence sexual assault charge and conviction.

You have framed this in such a ridiculous way for shock value.

If you are asked about your biological sex (healthcare for example) do you tell the person asking you have a vagina/penis (delete as appropriate)? Or do you answer female/male or woman/man?

Disclosing biological sex does not require any reference to genitals and it would be absurd to do so. But you knew that.

Having meat and 2 veg is completely different from not having natural blonde hair. Ask lots of men if they fancy trans women and the vast majority would see that as being gay and unless they are gay or bi. Even with the meat and 2 veg lopped off a lot of people still consider the biological sex of the individual very important and wouldn't want to date the trans person. Isn't everyone allowed to decide whom they don't wish to date, have sex with etc, deception isn't right. Deception of blonde hair rather than say brunette is completely different and you know that.

Respect for the law. Allowing a person to decide which sex as well as which person they wish to have sex with/form relationship with etc. Protecting individuals from sex by deceit, sex agreed to based on deceit isn't consensual sex, hence the guilty verdict. Nothing wrong with any of those 'agendas'. is there.

The reduction to hair colour is an indication that the person doing it has very little care for a person that they might have a sexual relationship with.

Totally. We all get rejected for many different reasons but honesty is the key here.

100%. Some people go out of their way to victim blame.

I keep misreading a sentence in your comment, so I’ll pile in here. I thought you were observing that not everyone gets to be ‘picky’.
Just so, and there’s always been umpteen blokes around who have a hard time getting girlfriends. This is what I thought had happened here, whereby a rather clueless but very eager man, tanked/even coked? up to boot, thinks he’s got a ticket to ride (so to speak). Once that switch is flipped it’d take wild horses to get him to alter his course.
Details about private parts, or whether those are tits or balled up socks in the bra, might occur to him rather too late.

(You’d imagine women would be less vulnerable to such deception, but that would entail (for example) many clubs holding the line on a women-only policy, and that’s when the feathers start flying of course.
That feeling of elation and relief after the ‘definition’ court ruling has certainly dissipated very fast. The territory is still as mined and treacherous as before)

Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk.

The usual exaggeration, based on no evidence whatsoever. Unless you’re referring to transgender South American prostitutes, a different demographic entirely.

Adult women with experience can tell. A man pretending to be a woman is usually very obvious but surgeries etc can make it more difficult and many young people have been brainwashed into thinking humans can change sex so the onus is on the trans person to be honest about their authentic self or are they trying to have sex by deception?

The brainwashed person will still believe it's possible to change sex when their date tells them that they're trans so that makes no odds here.

It’s a matter of practical, common sense I’d have thought. The smaller group is vastly outnumbered by the larger, whether or not members of the latter have what you high-handedly term ‘issues’.
(Do you truly believe that the routine reaction to potential sexual exchange with a trans partner one had thought to be genuinely female (to use the present example) will be “Ah, no bother, that’s grand. Onwards!”? )

Therefore isn’t it mere utilitarian sense that the onus re declaration/disclosure be on the minority person? It’s far more likely that majority individual will indeed prefer to be alerted to a pretty unusual situation, than that the minority person be disconcerted to be in their close company. They, after all, know the score already and have selected this potential liaison. (Which you say yourself, after all.)

So some people really think they have to lie about their sex with anyone they want to be physically involved with, because honesty could put their lives at risk? Regardless of the laws against sex by deception or how the other person might feel?

If they never get themselves into the situation where they have to tell that lie, then there’s no problem. Either find someone who’s happy that you’re trans, or stay celibate. Sorted.

Watkins has now been jailed. 21 months.

Another valid reason why sex matters and should not be muddied.

Good.

Sexual predator whomis a male in women's clothing. Not female no matter what he says.

Any idea which jail, men’s or women’s?