Biological sex should be shared with potential relationships/ONS/dates.

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I think that biological sex should be shared not the gender you think you are/want to be. That's honest and in my opinion respectful.

AIBU
YANBU biological sex should be shared not just chosen gender
YABU no just tell your chosen gender

Which agenda would that be? Respecting the law?

@ClassicalQueen it has played out in court. Watkins was found guilty

If you watch the doc You Can't Say That on Netflix they have a trans episode. All of the women who became men said they would always disclose, as it wasn't fair to the person they were dating. All of the men who became women said they would conceal it. It's why so many people don't have issues with women transitioning but are very wary of men who do.

It is up to a potential sex partner to disclose the sex they are because it is them who is saying that their identity does not match the material reality of their body. Why the fuck should someone who has little understanding of someone's identity, one that is only based on their 'understanding' of themselves that doesn't reflect material reality, have to ask someone if they are really the sex they present themselves as?

That is a recipe for harming that potential sex partner right there. Placing the onus on someone who doesn't have the knowledge to ask, is giving the person who is not being upfront the power to harm. It is removing the consent of a person who doesn't understand that they have to be asking a direct question.

The onus has to be on the person who has that knowledge that there is something that potentially negates the potential sex partner's consent, surely. That is the ethical approach, I would think.

jeansgenie

I think you mean "You can't ask that"

If one person hides important information about themselves (for example, gender or sexual characteristics), and the other agrees to sex, this can be considered sexual assault due to lack of fully informed consent. More details: prostitutki.almaty-girls.com/

The filter is so filtered you could be fooled. But the filter wasn't there when the man dressed as a woman walked into the bar irl and started chatting to the man who actually was a man. The convicted person isn't attractive either as a man or a 'woman' so I'm surprised there was any sex at all.

You can see from the photographs that he/she is not particularly feminine looking. Similarly it states in other articles that his lawyers used the defence of him/her sounding masculine. You may be able to blame the filters for not realising over social media but the filters weren’t there in the bar or at his/her house.

Even putting aside that they aren't women, they could easily still clarify that they are 'trans' women. In all honesty I've never seen a 'trans' woman who isn't clearly male, however with AI, filters and the like I imagine an online presence can be cultivated which doesn't reveal what/who the person really is.

Just ask.

Also I thought people could “always tell” so surely there is no need to ask what you can see?

I suggest you take a look around more closely at parents you see out and about if you think only attractive people have sex.

Its impossible to 'feel like' something you are not.
How do you know?
Its like saying I feel like I'm a zebra. Only a zebra knows.

Informed consent is an interesting one. It clearly applies when you definitely knew somebody would object to something and therefore you hide it so for example if this man had told her he never wants to date a transgender woman and she concealed it that would be black-and-white. but what about other cases where people are saying you should assume they would have an issue with dating a trans person? I’m not sure if that definitely falls under the umbrella of informed consent Because you don’t know that for sure. Interesting one.

Your understanding is, at best, incomplete.
trans people are not a monolith, they will all have different ideas about what and when they disclose their information to a potential partner. It is not ‘the point’ to deceive people. Not for most trans people.

Rubbish.
If you cant be honest in relationship about your actual identity.... then you dont deserve to have one.
As well as lying to yourself you're out and out deceiving potential partners.

Fuck!

So, do you honestly believe that the sex your body is should be treated as if it is hair colour?

Sex is immutable and it is very important for many people to know before any intimate contact. Hair colour is regularly and easily changed and it is beyond irresponsibly dismissive to equate the two the way you have.

How do YOU know how other people feel? You can’t know that because it’s not your experience.

Really??
Are you seriously blaming the victim for being sexually assaulted because it was a ONS?

So do you think that anyone into ONS doesn’t deserve legal protection from would be rapists?

It’s very common for young gay men to have ONS and has been this way for years. I have a gay son and I find your attitude horrific and homophobic too!

Informed consent should be treated as equally important by all people and should be regardless of people's philosophical belief about their identity.

It is not informed consent if any partner holds back key information about the sex class of their body.

I know how its feels to be a woman.
Because I am one.
A trans woman can feel how she 'thinks' a woman feels ...

That doesn’t even remotely answer the question. How do you know what someone else feels like?

No person can understand who somethings 'feels' that is not their personal experience.

And no male person can ever experience life as a woman. They can only ever experience life as a male person who believes they are a woman. (or, who 'understands' their experience as being a 'woman's'.

Even when they 'act' like a woman, they are acting as they believe a 'woman' should act. Even if they are treated 'as a woman' by some people, they are being treated as a 'male who presents as a woman and believes they are a woman'. Because their every reaction is based on that. Not on them being female in any way.

Even when they have extreme body modifications, it is to be their own concept of what a female looks like to them. It is not what a female is.

How can it be?

The only way a person can experience life as a woman, is to have a female body, formed around the production of large gametes, even if it doesn't produce those and to navigate their life based on the decisions they and society makes that revolve around them having that body.

A male can conceptualise what it might be like to be a female, but that is all it ever is - their concept of being female.

They may do it because they don't feel they fit into how they conceptualise how a male person interacts with the world (ie. their own stereotypes around being male) or they do it because they want to be seen as a female (using their own stereotypes of how a female navigates life). It really doesn't matter though. Their motivation is irrelevant to the outcome. And I consider the outcome can only be described as misogyny.

Which is that they will always be just a male who believes they are something they are objectively not.

How can the material reality be any different? This is why someone's gender is only based on someone's philosophical belief. And philosophical beliefs are fine for people to hold, but not one person in the UK has to comply with another's philosophical belief.

The logic cannot be any different than that I am afraid.

We have no idea what this one looked like on the night in question. Maybe he decided to grow stubble for the Court, for example. In a dark setting and after a lot of drinks a man who isn't used to having to check might have been mistaken. A woman would likely not.

How can you feel like something you're not and never have been?

That may be true, it doesn’t have anything to do with my point, though. Implying that all or e en most trans women are out to lie to people is simply not true. the vast majority are just trying to live their lives safely. Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk.