Biological sex should be shared with potential relationships/ONS/dates.

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I think that biological sex should be shared not the gender you think you are/want to be. That's honest and in my opinion respectful.

AIBU
YANBU biological sex should be shared not just chosen gender
YABU no just tell your chosen gender

Apologies, I’ve pretty much reiterated your points just now.
(Took so long to type out my remarks because steam was issuing from my ears and nostrils, so I overlooked many comments)

Exactly. It’s deceit on purpose. And I don’t understand their claims of “it would be unsafe to tell them” either because a) surely it’s a lot more unsafe if you don’t tell someone and they find out in a more intimate setting later and b) you can declare it on your dating profile or tell them when you’re first messaging them. Means the other person is aware up front and can decide if they want to continue pursuing you or not.

I would be absolutely livid if someone didn’t make this clear to me. I don’t want to date a trans person so want to know this information.

As somebody else said, a trans persons right to privacy does not trump another persons right to informed consent.

Yes certainly because let's face it what good relationship is ever built on deciet, but you can normally tell from the profile pictures anyway.

I agree. If you don’t tell someone when you’re dating that’s lying and to me is crap behaviour but not illegal, and I can understand some might feel differently. But if you don’t tell someone before sexual activity it’s straightforward assault as shown by this case. Consent through deception is not informed consent.

Yes you should have to disclose something as significant as biological sex, it's not acceptable to conceal something which would affect someone's decision to have sex with you.

I don't want to comment too much on this case except to say that a filtered, social media photo did not perform oral sex and, unless the victim is Bill Clinton, the fact that it happened several times without reciprocity raises questions for me.

"Will this be yet another male crime inked into the female column, and will this bloke be demanding placement in a female prison?"

I hope not since it's clearly committed by a man.

Definitely biological sex needs to be shared and not gender. I don't care what people fantasise they are, I care what they actually are. I'm married so it doesn't impact me but if I wasn't I'm straight and I would never consent to a same sex liaison. To trick someone into it is disgraceful. Completely agree it's sexual assault.

Not sure what sentencing is for sexual assault cases, but it should fit in the guidelines for that.

if that person came to me looking for sexual activity I think I'd know at first fucking glance he was a man LOL

However re your post yes I do think natal sex should always be told esp if one is trying to pass as another sex.

I agree sexuality is very important and pretending to be the other sex and then having a sexual act with someone of the 'wrong' sex that you really would never chose to is a disgusting assault.

I don't necessarily think that 'transwoman' should be prosecuted. I think the blow job recipient is a chancer. There's no way anyone would have not realised that was a male, and if youre into one night stand blowjobs from random, then you take your chances

Fortunately, the judge disagrees with you. The trans woman has been found guilty of sexual assault and awaits sentence. Chance blow jobs and chance sex, whether male or female should not mean that sexual assault using deception is ok for anyone, regardless of your sex or gender choice. How about the trans women who think they are lesbians and feel the need to call biological real lesbians transphobic because they don't fancy a man who feels that he is a woman? Any view on that?

At what point during a date/series of dates do you think I should be legally obliged to start discussing my genitalia OP?

FML! Genuinely…as if the ‘date’ had ANY doubts as to the sex of this person!!! Ffs! 😂

You don’t need to ‘discuss your genitalia’ ffs! However, if you are trans, you need to be upfront about it (which you can do without talking about genitalia!) 🙄

I don't think that transwomen pretending to be lesbians or deceiving them is the same thing tbh.
I am full on terf, but I just think that bloke is chancing it and being homophobic.
If the judge has deemed it sexual assault, then im not against that either.
Not surprised that a bloke being upset at having a blow job from a man is taken more seriously than what lesbians have been saying for years

I’m broadly agnostic tbh. In an ideal world, nobody would tell lies about their sex, their age, their job, their income, their marital status etc in order to get their leg over; but people do, and always have done, and I don’t think it’s realistic to prosecute all these different acts of deception, particularly if the person who feels deceived afterwards was happy to have a ONS with a stranger without doing their due diligence. I suppose the question is the extent to which we run with the idea of what sort of deception automatically nullifies consent.

The woman in your newspaper dating column example spoke out afterwards and said she had been asked during the application process whether she would consider dating transwomen and had said that she would; so whilst she may not have been informed ahead of the date who she’d be meeting, it wasn’t quite the “had to just sit there and smile and go along with it” that some people portrayed it as.

Prior to any kissing id say.

If someone would not have romantic or sexual involvement with a biological man or a biological women they shouldn’t be tricked into it. So before the first kiss.

This was my first thought ^

Ok, so at what point am I supposed to start the discussion about being trans?

Presumably if I don't disclose this the default assumption is that I'm not trans.

So there surely has to be some sort of threshold where this needs brought up, and regardless of my trans status or otherwise, I don't consider it to be the business of someone I've simply encountered on a dating App and agreed to meet for a coffee, so again, at what point would I be legally obliged to disclose my trans status?

Simply disclose your sex to the person you are dating. Ensure basic safeguarding and genuine consent. It's not difficult. 🙄

I’d say that’s worse.

If a bloke suddenly realises he’s with another man, he’s much less likely to be in physical danger than a woman in the same situation.

I've been on countless dates, at no point has anyone ever "disclosed" their sex to me, or me to them. I guess that in every single one of those instances there was a safeguarding failure. 😐

Agreed.

If you've been on countless dates in which no one has been trans, then there's no issue.

If you are trans then you need to be upfront about that with your sexual partners.