To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

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Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

Are you alright? You can see how it you want. I literally already said I don’t care. I just said it’s comical really as St George was Palestian / Turkish 😅

It pains me to hear of British people who have been subjected to racism in their own country just because their parents or other ancestors were of non-British heritage. It must be so awful to be treated that way, and my heart goes out to anyone who has experienced that. (And also immigrants/tourists/anyone here for a while to study or work.)

It may be the case that the majority of Brits are not racist, maybe even most Brits are not, but I'm guessing that that doesn't matter, because it seems there's always at least one, wherever you go, who will be racist towards you and make you feel like shite.

I wish there was something I could do about it. I think authorities need to be a lot better about stamping out racism.

And we should ALL call people out on any racism we witness, whether targeted towards a person of colour or something that's said among white people when there are no people of colour present.

Racists need to know that decent people consider them scum and that their attitudes are totally unacceptable in a civilised society.

Sending hugs to anyone who has experienced racism. 😢

If it helps, the minute someone is racist, they just out themselves as being exquisitely thick. How anyone can think the colour of someone's SKIN means anything is beyond me. It's positively medieval, like when people used to practice phrenology in the Middle Ages, saying they could tell someone's character by feeling the bumps on their head! That's how utterly stupid racists are. I literally see them as so stupid I wonder how they can dress themselves, and I hope anyone who has experienced racism can see them that way, too. Small, pathetic, and low-IQ.

All true, but of course the swastika is tainted probably forever. And the stigma around the English flag is pretty strong. That's what vile anti-Semites and racists have done to those symbols.

It is a common mistake to say that the orientation of the swastika matters or is different from the nazi one. Hindu/Buddhist swastikas can be inclined too, clockwise or counterclockwise.

We hear, every single St George's day, about the Turkish stuff. As though we are meant to stop celebrating because the usual sneering lefties find it comical. It never has any impact then, so not sure why you think you're saying something original and relevant.

Spot on. Why did MN hide it ?

I think our grandparents would be bewildered that an objective they fought against, ie the Nazi far right narrative, is being replicated in their own country right now. During WW2 we welcomed refugees fleeing from persecution. Now apparently we want to 'send them back' and 'take back' our country.

Sure, but most people don't know that.

The swastika is tainted forever, and the stigma around the English flag is pretty strong. I'd never put it on my house or car, I'd be way too embarrassed.

Or maybe they would be horrified that the hard left is sowing seeds of division.

You don't. But flags are powerful emblems if you can read them. And circumstances change nuances. I'm in Scotland. The saltire's fairly neutral. But if you go to a city, especially Glasgow, and the Union Jack is draped everywhere, you've blundered into sectarian central.

When I see the flag of St George I feel proud … I am English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿… when I see the Union Jack I feel proud… I am British … proud of both.

Surprised that bingo card was hidden. It appears virtually every day. You always know what direction these goady threads are going to take.

Why is it ok to fly literally any other flag in this country but not our national one?

honestly I’m fed up with it

@Chocolatefreak most are not refugees. And refugees assimilate into the host country not the other way around

This.

Nope. Don’t agree. The Swastika was a symbol of the aspiration to world domination by the Nazis. That’s not Euro centric - World War Two, was exactly that. A world war. Those who know the true meaning of the symbol will continue to use it in that context. Those who associate it with the evil perpetrated under it by the Nazis, will continue to do so.

Can you give examples of any hard left groups who are encouraging a violent, racist, divisive attitude towards immigrants?

The SNP have never used it as a “get out of (our) country”, you are talking utter nonsense.

@Dangermoo you continue to be beyond ridiculous. Do you think anyone takes you seriously lol

”hard left”

Is that anyone who’s heads not up Nigel garages arse?😂

Only one person who’s spreading seeds of division and anyone with a brain can clearly see it’s him

Flying your country's flag isn't racist, and the flag itself is not racist. However, social and cultural context matters a lot, and the fact is that the English flag has been co-opted by far-right racist groups to the extent that it's their symbol. It was easy for them to use it as the flag of their vile cause because the English don't tend to fly their flag or the Union Jack very much. We don't have them on flagpoles on our houses and shops don't have them flying outside like you see in America, where they fly them everywhere. If the English flag and the Union Jack had been in greater use everywhere, by everyone, like in the States, nefarious groups would not have been able to pretty much grab it for themselves.

It's not necessary to know them personally to know who they are. They've got a flag for telling us. That's what flags are for, to signal in place of words. And I choose to avoid them.

Don't be fed up with it. See it as a compliment at how many people are obsessed with hating anything to do with the celebration of England. We've got some extremely proud history and culture - much to be envious of. Every country has its bad apples, so this quest to shit on England, is laughable.

So somebody has a flag in their garden and you jump to conclusions. I doubt they even know of your existence.

When I visit Switzerland I see Swiss flags in every town and village.
Are they `racist' too, OP?

People like you throwing around pathetic accusations of `racism' every 5 minutes devalue what racism really is.

Anti-semites and racists haven't done anything to this symbols. You have allowed a minority of bastards to appropriate symbols of great historical, cultural and religious value. I feel like I am hitting my head against the wall here. You do not have to surrender the flag nor the swastika to these people. If everyone flies it instead of tearing it down, you actually take it back from the racists. The only thing stopping you is the social disapproval of your in-group.