To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

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Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

In my experience, the white-privileged middle classes, left wing "saviours", are the most racist and intolerant and they absolutely hate the white working class with a passion. Never understood it. It's would be fascinating to study - I'm sure it would be classed as some sort of projection of self-hatred.

The St. Georges flag, the dragon, st. Andrews cross, the union flag and the ulster cross are all the legitimate flags of this nation, it is not racist to fly them any more than it is for the French to fly the tricolour or the US to fly the Stars and Stripes (which they both do, a lot)

There is nothing racist about having national pride, if anything we fly our flags far less than other nations.

There is nothing hateful about any of these flags, they represent the country that you as a resident are part of, you have ownership over them too, they should not intimidate you!

Britain is, and always has been a melting pot of people from all over the world, a good majority of our families rocked up here at some time be it 50 years, 500 or 1000 years ago, its that diversity that has always made it a great nation - going through a difficult patch just now, but I have faith...

I think the flag is a red herring because it’s not just ‘not ok’ to display the English flag is it? If you say you’re proud to be British that comes with a load of backlash.

People can do what they want and it’s not their concern what other people think
or perceive. It’s a flag of a country, it can’t be changed, deleted or erased and no one group ‘own it’ so live and let live

My husband is Asian but born in the UK. He has absolutely no issue with the flags and they’ve never made him feel like anyone was being racist towards him. I don’t really understand why anyone feels they are racist? If I was in another country and they were flying their own flag I wouldn’t bat an eye lid!

I'm not white British but I am British so its my flag too. Being offended at a country flying its own flag is utter madness.

How do you know you weren't hearing from the "non-white" posters you "hoped" to hear from?

Was it because they didn't express the views you had pre-decided you expected them to have? Which would make the whole thread a bit of an exercise in question-begging would it not?

I was a bit annoyed when I was applying for premium bonds and answering the nationality question. You could have Welsh, Irish, Scottish or British. No English option. It really annoyed me.

I read it more that we are not who we say we are...

No english parliament either

What does "far right" even mean? - Homophobia, misogyny, hatred of people who don't look like you or share your beliefs? If so, that definition could apply to lots of countries whose flags are regularly flown in the UK and not removed. Are they also "far right"?

Did you know that if you say you’re English you get arrested? True fact.

I can actually see why tbh! Would be interest to see reasoning behind that exlusion

It's just a term to make right leaning voters sound bad

I’m Irish and think you’re being unreasonable.

Well I thought it was unusual to be given the choice of Welsh as I don't think you normally do but I might email them actually to ask why.

Oh come on , there's a world of difference between right leaning and Far Right.

I’ve been an ethnic minority living in all three. And you’re right, there’s racism in all three nations.

But I’d be happy to join a pub on match day in Cardiff or any area in Wales with Welsh flags on display. Would be scared to go in an English pub in similar circumstances or walk alone past a street covered in English flags.

That’s not just because of a stereotype but from learned experience.

Why should they feel deeply proud and patriotic? Genuine question.

I’m non-white British - English - and I like seeing the Union Jack flying but I feel that the St George flag is sometimes flown more as a protest or statement than as a celebration, apart from at patriotic events such as Remembrance Day. To a lot of English people, England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom are practically synonymous so choosing the England flag over the British flag hits differently to someone in Scotland flying the Saltire or, in Wales, the Y Ddraig Goch when they want to celebrate their individual national identity. Of course, it’s a shame that Northern Ireland has no official flag to fly so it’s the Union Jack or nothing for them.

From a personal point of view, I find the current attitudes to reclaiming the UK for white people worrying. I know there are a subset of white British people who would like to “repatriate” me to a country I’ve never even visited on holiday, even though I was born in England. My children have a white father, are white passing and were born in the UK. Are they to be repatriated to a country they know almost nothing about as well? What would happen to my elderly mother who immigrated here in 1967, renounced her nationality and took British citizenship? She’s lived in England for three times as long as she lived in her country of birth!

I’m shocked at how many people don’t see the connotation of racism in the St George flag. It’s used by far right and racist groups and as a ‘message’ where I live. If you want to display a flag why not the Union Jack why choose the other one unless you want to make a point?

Yep. Just for saying you're English. Fact.

How can anyone who watches the news not think that the St George’s Flag is being appropriated by violent racist thugs?

In Wales it's always baffled me that the English flag is so contentious. Two sons lived abroad and flew their Welsh flags to support every rugby event wherever they were. As did the Irish they met.

What if you prefer to identify as English rather than British? Many in the rest of the UK don't want to either.

It's the association that's now with the right wing fascists that's the issue. Not the flag. Don't have this with the Scottish or Welsh flag