To be sick of the royal propaganda the UK is fed?

[Ukisgaslit]

I know most people don’t give a damn about the Windsors any more .

However , in a week when we learn about Philip’s affairs - notably with Sarah Ferguson’s mother ( all covered up of course like the rest of their debachery) we are now expected to swallow the line that William and Kate’s next mansion is ‘paid for by William and Kate themselves ‘

No . That’s not the complete truth .Every penny the Windsors have , they have taken from the people . We now know William and Charles make millions from public services like the NHS schools and charities . We only know about this as a result of dogged journalistic digging . And most of the mainstream media barely covered the scandal .

There are many threads here about how the UK is in steep decline and how people are suffering . Yet the royals are taking in half a billion a year and charging charities on top !

At least admit to us that all their money is stolen from us ?

Oh and if you haven’t heard the queen knew all about Andrew pocketing money via ‘pitch at the palace’

She was told repeatedly by officials . She did nothing
Can we have some facts please ?
The Windsors are a total facade - they are all like Andrew - he’s just the latest fall guy .

And they all have a very, very long summer break, here and abroad
And the great PR machine spits out some pre- recorded messages ( POW and nature) and snippets of information ( new house) to make us believe they are amongst us and working

Funny that, when I read about people claiming that the Country is broke, and people looking to blame people who have next to nothing, those same people would defend to the hilt the RF having so much, and doing so little with it for other people. They are selfish, and only concerned with their self preservation.

If it's not them, it will be the politicians

Looking at Putin and Trump meeting....they steal their nations money also ...too simplistic but

That's why many of us don't watch bbc

Parliament has the means to change the parliamentary system to a republic if there is enough public will.

There has never been enough public will to make it worthwhile for any government to make it priority.

A lot of people thought that the death of the Queen would make a huge difference to polling numbers about the popularity of the monarchy but it didn’t.

Oddly a poll in 2021 when the late Queen was still around asked if you could pick a new head of state who would you pick. The Queen came in third, David Attenborough came in second and William was in first place.

Aren’t the affairs Philip had the reason his Will is closed for 100 years or so to cover up any of kiddies he may have had?

Goes lord Porchester get much of a mention?

I , and I suspect many readers share this feeling , am so so tired of this nonsense

You have selected Trump and Putin .
Both representing completely different political systems from that of the UK

Totally irrelevant to our situation .

Plus many of us want to start with holding the Windsors accountable ! Can we start with that?

Workshy Willy is currently moving to a £16million property….hasnt done a days work in his life!
And please don’t tell me he was a helicopter pilot….i believe that as much as I believe Phil the Greek was Randy Andy’s father!

@wordler

Do you agree that we should ALL be asked if we are happy to continue shovelling half a billion the Windsors way .
And with getting laziness greed and sex offenders in return ?

Putin wasn't selected

If you mean a referendum - particularly the type of binary yes or no referendum that we had with Brexit, then no.

But I would encourage all republicans to lobby their MPs for changes to the current system, more transparency etc right up to lobbying for a change in the parliamentary system.

If enough politicians feel that it’s important enough to their constituents that they risk their jobs if they don’t lobby for change then something will get done.

Well, Private Eye for one. It has published many stories on Lord Louis, quoting contemporaries who served under him in the Navy (…) and after.
(Unless whackamole666 is being somewhat, er, disingenuous)

@SandyDunesCoffeeShack

If you re read my post I said YOU
selected Putin and Trump as examples of presidents as royalists always do .

Yes they use the term ‘president ‘ but surely you are aware that both are from systems with executive presidents .
They are therefore irrelevant

@wordler

No I did not say a referendum

Although the issue re the Windsor is a simple one unlike the Brexit mess

I would ask for a question added to a ballot paper . Just to see roughly where we stand

And throwing in Trump etc and paid for ‘polls’ is just distraction

Can we please start with holding the Windsors accountable for their offences . If they have nothing to fear why the decades of cover ups ?

@wordler
Are you aware that is next to impossible for MPs to discuss the Windsors in parliament ?

They can accuse others of crimes using parliamentary privilege but they are prevented from debating the Windsors !
Thats what stops debate

Mps must also swear allegiance to Charles . Not to the electorate or the nation

What more do you need to know about the state of this country ?!

Not to mention a further six weeks or so at Christmas, from mid December until late January. Nice.

But it’s not a question about the ‘Windsors’ it’s a question of changing the system of how our government is run.

It’s removing the constitutional monarchy from all the many branches of our society that it’s currently bound to - it affects the local and National governance, the legal system, the armed forces, the church, the currency, the management of historical archives and the royal art collections. It affects thousands of jobs and positions across four countries.

It’s the work of decades and will cost billions.

Of course once it’s done you don’t have to pay for it again.

But making that change is a political mine field that would make Brexit look like a quick and easy job.

But the monarch isn’t forcing parliament to have these rules by threatening them with a cannon!

Parliament can decide to change the ‘rules’ on that anytime they want to.

Why do you think they haven’t already?

‘constitutional monarchy ‘ is a fig leaf of a term

We live with feudal remnants .
That all need reform . And I’ve little doubt that previous generations of royals were as corrupt as the current lot but we know more now , despite every obstruction put in the way of anyone asking questions

• see Andrew Lownies attempts to uncover papers related to Mountbatten

As for the politicians - the 14 years of tories did a lot to row back on reforms re the royals . As I mentioned upthread - the tories did away with the civil list - which at least allowed for limited debate each year

The victorians were more reform minded re the royals than we appear to be .

Btw there was a labour MP who after the last election refused to swear allegiance to Charles and was told if he didn’t he could not do his work as an MP

We can start with getting rid of that swearing to Charles nonsense

Btw ridding ourselves of the royals is not the Herculean task you pretend it is

Other countries have done it with little difficulty, both recently and post war

Sounds like you need a lot more than one Labour MP onside to lobby for changes to the Parliamentary Oaths act then.

Unless there's some sort of coup then there are tens of thousands of decisions that would need to be made - from very small issues (what happens to the currency) to very large ones (what form of head of state will replace the monarch).

All of those will require briefs, proposals, committee discussions, decisions, perhaps votes in parliament.

Scheduling and funding that is huge.

There has been no other country with a constitutional monarchy like the UK becoming a republic in modern times.