To be sick of the royal propaganda the UK is fed?

[Ukisgaslit]

I know most people don’t give a damn about the Windsors any more .

However , in a week when we learn about Philip’s affairs - notably with Sarah Ferguson’s mother ( all covered up of course like the rest of their debachery) we are now expected to swallow the line that William and Kate’s next mansion is ‘paid for by William and Kate themselves ‘

No . That’s not the complete truth .Every penny the Windsors have , they have taken from the people . We now know William and Charles make millions from public services like the NHS schools and charities . We only know about this as a result of dogged journalistic digging . And most of the mainstream media barely covered the scandal .

There are many threads here about how the UK is in steep decline and how people are suffering . Yet the royals are taking in half a billion a year and charging charities on top !

At least admit to us that all their money is stolen from us ?

Oh and if you haven’t heard the queen knew all about Andrew pocketing money via ‘pitch at the palace’

She was told repeatedly by officials . She did nothing
Can we have some facts please ?
The Windsors are a total facade - they are all like Andrew - he’s just the latest fall guy .

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of them! But I don't think we should be in denial about the fact that they have enjoyed a lot of goodwill and popularity and this has led to the situation where they are basically doing nothing. No, we individually haven't been asked but polling companies are asking representative samples of people.
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

So why didn’t the same doctors advise Kate not to attend Wimbledon or William not to attend football?

I'm afraid you'll have to ask them, not me. I don't know. As you see, there's a query at the end of my comment. I know far less about any royals than anyone else on this thread. It does occur to me, however, that Princess C may not be as fully recovered from cancer as she might appear. This was definitely the case with me, I had a long period of recovery that was not particularly evident to those around me. Fortunately nobody was demanding my public appearance for inspection.

No of course they dont t they see it ,as well beneath them
It's a ridiculous situation in this day and age the British public support this over indulged, family

@Ukisgaslit it's an odd thing being "older" People assume I will be fawning over W and K and waving a flag. Urgh, nothing would persuade me to do so.

I remember an episode of "24 hours in A&E" a few years ago. A dr asked an elderly patient "did you enjoy the Queen's Jubilee celebrations" or some such thing, to which the (female), patient answered with " no, I watched the football". 😂

God horrible. The effin Jubilee. Was that the one where she was clearly very very ill? It was pitiful.

@Serpentstooth

Neither Kate nor William have ever shown much interest in their so called ‘duty’

Setting Kate aside completely - that does not excuse William’s almost total disappearance.

Didnt Kate say she was in remission ? Why can William not do the bare minimum?
He doesn’t want to , that’s why

Can we have a refund please ?

@cumbriaisbest

Yes the bloody ‘jubilee’ - more propaganda !

There were not nationwide parties ! All the ‘celebration ‘ was top down .
We are told ‘the nation celebrates’ and we know that most people are not interested but propaganda makes you feel that you are the odd one out .
You are not !

Yet another of the family knees-ups we're expected to cough for without complaint.

Three vastly expensive occasions in the space of a year.

@CathyorClaire

The very least the Windsors could do is pay for these PR exercises ( that is what a coronation / jubilee is ) themselves .

We are told oh we must pay as it’s a state occasion . But then when we ask the Windsors to pay their taxes or be transparent about ANYTHING- oh no we are private individuals
Scammers

Precisely. They're minted so why don't they pay their way 🤔

Because its our privilege to pay for this ridiculous family in the hope we can line the streets waving a flags and gey a tiny peek at them!

The very least the Windsors could do is pay for these PR exercises ( that is what a coronation / jubilee is ) themselves .

If they did the fact they've somehow imposed a 'perpetual edit' clause on the state broadcaster we pay for which has the effect of allowing them to dictate what can and can't now be shown might not sting quite so much.

But then Auntie has always rolled over for the royals 🙄

I’m not from the UK, but where I live the royal family is extremely unpopular. People genuinely don’t understand why taxpayers should be funding them it’s the perfect symbol of class inequality. William and Kate, in particular, are seen as shallow and racist and a big joke.

At one point I even felt uneasy about visiting the UK, but then I realized they don’t actually represent the people, it’s mostly older generations (and the far-right or openly racist crowd) who still defend that family. Meanwhile, ordinary people are struggling with unemployment, homelessness, and economic hardship, while William and Kate’s main concern seems to be moving into yet another mansion, while using Diana image for props and attacking people who don't live from tax payers.

And let’s not forget the biggest scandal of all: Prince Andrew. Honestly, it feels like time for a French Revolution in the UK, because this monarchy makes the country look terrible on the international stage. I actually feel sorry for the people of Britain for having such representation forced upon them.

I think you’re talking nonsense. Why exactly do you think Kate and William are racist? Don’t come to the UK for many reasons but don’t pretend it’s because of Kate and William.
Fwiw I am an immigrant and I love the Royal family and what they represent, I can’t imagine the UK without the royal family. I am very proud to be a British citizen.
Also re using Diana as a prop I think you’ve got the wrong brother.

I don’t get the love for the royals. They wouldn’t piss on any of us plebs if we were on fire, yet people love them.

I.its a mystery to me
I think it's ludicrous in this day and age we still have a royal family.

I’m under no illusion that just because us plebs are ‘in it together’ that many would piss on me if I were on fire. However I don’t really expect them to therefore I don’t harbour resentment towards plebs for potentially not pissing on me.

I’m interested in what people think the alternative to the royal family should be. Would it be a parliamentary republic with an elected head of state? Or just nothing, so all we have is Starmer and Rayner to represent the UK.

I also find it interesting the number of British born and bred don’t seem to be patriotic to their country (that’s probably a whole other conversation) and think abolishing a 1000 year old institution which does have standing on the world stage and turning the castles into wedding venues would make the country better. Or their lives better.

I understand the issues with the country, I have the same issues but I don’t see the royal family as the cause of these issues, it’s the governments - the elected ones - which have caused it.

I have been here for 45 years and consider myself throughly British, I love this country and recognise the privilege of being a citizen of a country like the UK and the Royals represent part of that.
It’s sometimes difficult for people (me) to articulate why they like the royal family and the monarchy, but I just think the UK would be a very bleak place without them.

You are about as fed up with it as I am of "republicans" bleating about ending the monarchy (looking at you Guardian), an institution that enjoys a 62%+ approval rating.

Oh and BTW I seriously doubt the sources of your "information".

@HerewardtheSleepy

Sorry to hear that you are fed up hearing criticism of the Windsors .
Personally im relieved to see that the abuses which were once rumours ( and frequently put down as lies ) are finally being revealed as true.

Are you equally ‘fed up ‘ with the pedophiles and sex offenders which the Windsors actively protect? Are you ‘fed up ‘ hearing about the prolific pedophiles such as Mountbatten. - from whom they have their very name?

Are you fed up with half a billion cost and lazy arses like William making clear he’s pocketing our money and giving two fingers in return ?
Are you fed up with Elizabeth Charles William - all of them basically - charging charities , the nhs , school while pretending to live a life of ‘duty’?
I could go in but you’ll be ‘fed up’

@VeryStressedMum

If you want a more nuanced view of the Windsors than that which you currently have I suggest you read ‘and what do you do?’ - a well researched detailed description of the truth behind the facade that has been created for the Windsors
Id also suggest anything by Andrew Lownie - his current book about Andrew and Sarah has shocked even the usual critics

I’ve never been in any doubt whatsoever of the facade. The monarchy is essentially a business which relies on public support for continuation, which means the pr department keeps very busy.

I don’t venerate each individual member of the family. I don’t like many of them, although i do have a soft spot for Kate and William and HMTLQ, but I don’t believe the monarchy should be abolished because I don’t like some individuals or because it’s a facade and that people are not truly who we are led to believe they are. It’s a show - and one that benefits the UK in terms of diplomatic influence, culture and tourism.

Yes we could save some money by abolishing the monarchy but let’s not pretend that any government will use that money to fix any broken part of the system or infrastructure. Brexit anyone?

The unity of the country is more fragile than ever and hanging by a thread, I don’t doubt abolition of the monarchy will sever that thread very fast.

But these are just my opinions, everyone has different ones.

@VeryStressedMum

Thanks for your reply

Interesting that you think a facade , as you agree the monarchy is , is worthy of half a billion a year and of representing a country

We have a lie as the head of state
And that lie is also head of the state religion .
How damaging to the COE is that ?!
We know William is not in the least religious and the queen’s religious advisor expressed concerns about this matter . So his pap walk to church is another lie

We do not have a full democracy- THAT is damaging to our society . The Windsors cannot be debated in parliament by our elected representatives. That is not democracy .
That is damaging .
We need reform .

Oh and if you are concerned about ‘unity’ -the issue of the Windsors is now devisive and as no action is taken it will become more and more devisive

We should be asked properly how we feel about this ‘facade’ and no a bought and paid for poll is meaningless.
No need to fear brexit - the poll can be added to a ballot paper and be purely indicative , for information only

This is normal in many full democracies - the UK is not a full democracy .