To be sick of the royal propaganda the UK is fed?

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I know most people don’t give a damn about the Windsors any more .

However , in a week when we learn about Philip’s affairs - notably with Sarah Ferguson’s mother ( all covered up of course like the rest of their debachery) we are now expected to swallow the line that William and Kate’s next mansion is ‘paid for by William and Kate themselves ‘

No . That’s not the complete truth .Every penny the Windsors have , they have taken from the people . We now know William and Charles make millions from public services like the NHS schools and charities . We only know about this as a result of dogged journalistic digging . And most of the mainstream media barely covered the scandal .

There are many threads here about how the UK is in steep decline and how people are suffering . Yet the royals are taking in half a billion a year and charging charities on top !

At least admit to us that all their money is stolen from us ?

Oh and if you haven’t heard the queen knew all about Andrew pocketing money via ‘pitch at the palace’

She was told repeatedly by officials . She did nothing
Can we have some facts please ?
The Windsors are a total facade - they are all like Andrew - he’s just the latest fall guy .

And there are very few, if any, countries that do tradition and ceremony like the British. Trooping the colour, state opening of parliament, changing of the guard, the jubilees, coronations and more. Doesn’t anyone feel proud to be British watching this? This is so strange to me, ok so you don’t have to love it but don’t you feel even a little pride in your country? This is all part of our culture, get rid of it all what do our children and grandchildren have - maybe nothing else just flags on roundabouts.

None of the ‘spectacle ‘ you describe e @VeryStressedMum require the presence of the Windsors on the throne

The coronation is an exception and if you look into what a coronation actually is - you’ll see it has no place in a modern society.

No other European country has a coronation - ask yourself why . And yes I’m referring to countries with a monarch as ‘ head of state’
That the UK continues with the nonsense of a coronation says a lot about the state of our society . It’s top down though . It’s PR .

Let the Windsors pay for their made up coronation nonsense themselves ( the whole thing was invented to fool the people - not many fooled these days)

I think this is part of the problem. Is this really all we are as a country? Some real life Disney fantasy from 2 centuries ago?
It's papering over the cracks to say occasionally we can get the gold coaches out and parade some fairly dull people with few achievements through the streets in ridiculous fancy dress garb. Maybe if we didn't have that we would make more effort to make this country better through it's people not just bask in the reflected glories of bygone days.
We don't even not have to have a Monarchy. Just have a much reduced ( in personnel and cost) and a far more transparent system with proper checks and balances on their unearned power. The problem with the Monarchy isn't necessarily the Monarchy but the culture of extreme deference surrounding them.

I agree @LidlAmaretto

The coronation is a nonsense but it contains one truth - the Windsors are in effect closer to medieval despots than many will admit

Look at the scandals that have taken decades to be revealed . What has been done ? Nothing.
Even Andrew is above the law - and Elizabeth made clear he was untouchable and the ‘commoners’ are there to be used .

You can keep the Windsors if they mean that much to you but have them debated in parliament, on a fixed salary and subject to law ( and yes that means paying tax)
I think the Windsors themselves would walk away if that happened though
So what does that say about the whole con?

This country, and the world, relies on us worker bees being stamped down and thick.

There is no democracy. If everyone faced the truth and realised that we are nothing but cattle, that our stupid votes are just there to make us feel like we have a little bit of control over our lives (we don’t), then people would be depressed and despondent. Some might actually kick up instead of down, which is what those with the money and the power don’t want.

So they let the masses wave their flags at the Royals, tell us we should be proud, incite hatred to make us keep fighting amongst ourselves rather than against them so they can bring in more laws to control.

I worked as a journalist for many years (until I started losing my vision, dictation isn’t great and makes you sound illiterate half the time), and fuck me, the shit I saw. I’ve been in the Houses of Parliament and seen these people laughing at you, at me, at all of us.

No one wants to hear it though.

@IheartMCR
I don’t disagree with you at all!

Tell us more please - or start a thread - I’d be there in a heartbeat

I mention a question on a ballot paper re the Windsors purely to address the cost question whenever royalists object to the thought of the population actually being asked if we want this situation to continue.
It’s the cheapest way I can think of - perhaps less open to abuse than online
Im not naive about politicians but they at least can be gotten rid of and they are .

I just read on another thread, someone said that the Green Party have as many seats as reform but aren’t given the same voice.

I feel like banging my head against a brick wall when I hear things like that. It’s not real. None of it. It’s all an illusion to make you think you have choice and a tiny bit of power.

At the moment, the country is being incited into violence and hatred to bring in harsher laws and to keep us all divided and fighting each other.

We fall for it time and time again. I’ve given up with people now. They fight for the wrong things.

I don’t want to go off thread but I’m not sure I understand your point @IheartMCR

Are you saying the greens aren’t getting their voice heard despite having the same number of MPs due to some other influence stifling them ?

This is strong stuff.
Is there documented evidence for your allegations?

I think that it’s just another divide and conquer tactic. Idiots being rilled up to shout outside hotels and hang up flags. It keeps the thickos busy and angry and kicking downwards and the lefties feeling superior. The Green Party - load of nonsense anyway.

Marches and riots equal people wanting to be governed harder and made “safer” with harsher laws. It’s so transparent. There are no different political parities, it’s just an illusion to keep us thinking we are one above cattle.

But hey, that’s just my opinion. Eveyone else can think differently, and I am just at a point in my life where my biggest concern at the moment is what colour kettle to buy for my new kitchen. I don’t care about anything ouside my own little bubble anymore and I really don’t care if someone else thinks differently to me.

@IheartMCR

Thanks for your post .
Interesting .
Think about starting that thread!

We do need some sort of sovereign for trooping the colour as it marks their birthday, otherwise why troop any colours?
Also a jubilee requires a monarch to actually celebrate their reign.
Changing of the guard literally changes guards of Buckingham palace, there would be no need to change guards with no Buckingham Palace
For the opening of parliament they can all just go in and sit down there’s no need for ceremony as they’re all useless anyway

@SixtySomething

Is this news to you ??

Rumours about Mountbatten have been swirling for years .
Look up Kincora children’s home .
Look up the FBI files on Mountbatten from as long ago as the 1950s
And it’s when they are dead that the so called rumours are suddenly accepted fact and ‘old news’ - eg Philip’s affairs

Andrew Lownie is a respected historian and has published several books on the royals . His investigation into Mountbatten a few years ago was blocked continually . Lownie has written a book about Mountbatten - I suggest you read it if you object so strongly .

He has also written a book about Andrew and Sarah - you can’t have missed that

Nah, I used to shout it from the rooftops. I lost writing work due to it, even though others agreed with me.

You just get called a conspiracy theorist. Which I get, to recognise you are actually nothing, with no say and no choice is a pretty scary thing to comprehend and people don’t want to face it. I gave up years ago. It’s no longer my problem.

@VeryStressedMum

No they do not

If we want to keep the flimflam we can simply mark it as a national day as other countries so
Other countries do the performative ‘guard change ‘ too

No need for the Windsors at all

We don’t need any of that bullshit.

@SixtySomething

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63319930.amp

Do you think this country doesn’t bother to try to make itself better because the royals have some events and ceremonies? That’s the reason? That we are waiting for the royals to be abolished so the people can shine? What people and what will they suddenly do that can’t be done now?

Other countries manage fine without a monarch and have plenty of ceremonies; we don't need to lose any of these. Most of them are not as traditional as is commonly thought and were invented by the Victorians anyway, to keep them popular after Victoria hid away for years after being widowed.

Most other monarchies don't have an archaic, insanely expensive coronation either.

I used to be a monarchist btw but they lost me years ago, and most events in recent years have only confirmed my viewpoint. Probably the worst of several very low points, was the spectacle of our Head of State paying off the accuser of her alleged sex abuser son, a citizen of another country - with our money - to protect him and block any crime investigation by that country. Do you know what that makes this country look like?

I see there are the usual digs at Harry on this thread. Whatever you may think of Harry all he is really guilty of is leaving the RF and choosing to do something different with his life, no longer on the payroll of the UK taxpayer. I recall that H offered to work part time to support the RF and this was rejected; yet William and Kate are themselves part time workers so it seems to be OK for them.

All the people who have any power seem to be corrupt, lacking in morals or common sense, MPs upskirting, putting cameras in toilets, looking at porn in Parliament, siphoning off money to their own betterment.
I am now 75 and realise that is has probably always been like this, but better hidden. I wonder if the percentage of disgusting people is the same in the general population, or whether power does corrupt. If that is so, then the Royal Family will probably have been festering away for hundreds of years, until they have no idea what is good, normal, healthy behaviour!

I understand what you’re trying to say but it doesn’t make sense, why would we mark a national day for the jubilee for example when there is no monarch?
Ok we can do a guard change (although there would be no guards as they would have nothing to guard) just for fun but aren’t these types of ceremonies one of the reasons a lot of people are against the monarchy?
But I understand some people hate it all and that’s their prerogative

I agree totally, I have decided that the only thing I can do, is keep my own moral code, and ensure that my small circle of influence is as good as it can be. I try not to see or hear the news, as its depressing and infuriating. I speak the truth if I know it, to my friends, if I'm not sure what the truth is, I keep quiet.

We could use the date of Liz's Platinum Jubilee and just make it a Bank Holiday just because. I mean, it's no more ridiculous thank giving bank workers a day off to watch the cricket, which is how the August one came about.

As some (actually a lot of) people hate it all the monarchy cannot be a symbol of unity. It is not the ceremonies I personally object to btw; just that the monarchy is a symbol of and underpins privilege. Its parasitical presence mean that we cannot begin to claim to be a fair and egalitarian society.

I don't accept anyone's accusation btw that objecting to the monarchy means I am unpatriotic. One of the most pernicious aspects of the monarchy is the way that loyalty to the monarch is expected as a patriotic duty.

I am proud of my country and everything that it & its citizens have contributed in the past and present. That does not mean I should deny its negative side and the evils that have been committed, some in the name of patriotism. To me the monarchy symbolises so much of what is worst about this country; the worship of privilege, the greed, the unthinking loyalty and deference to unworthy objects.

That doesn't make the RF members bad people though I do think that a life like theirs - knowing nothing but privilege and deference - would be bad for anyone's character. But however nice some of them may be individually, they are fated to be part of the problem not the solution.