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To be sick of the royal propaganda the UK is fed?

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Ukisgaslit · 16/08/2025 10:06

I know most people don’t give a damn about the Windsors any more .

However , in a week when we learn about Philip’s affairs - notably with Sarah Ferguson’s mother ( all covered up of course like the rest of their debachery) we are now expected to swallow the line that William and Kate’s next mansion is ‘paid for by William and Kate themselves ‘

No . That’s not the complete truth .Every penny the Windsors have , they have taken from the people . We now know William and Charles make millions from public services like the NHS schools and charities . We only know about this as a result of dogged journalistic digging . And most of the mainstream media barely covered the scandal .

There are many threads here about how the UK is in steep decline and how people are suffering . Yet the royals are taking in half a billion a year and charging charities on top !

At least admit to us that all their money is stolen from us ?

Oh and if you haven’t heard the queen knew all about Andrew pocketing money via ‘pitch at the palace’

She was told repeatedly by officials . She did nothing
Can we have some facts please ?
The Windsors are a total facade - they are all like Andrew - he’s just the latest fall guy .

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2dogsandabudgie · 17/08/2025 17:09

cumbriaisbest · 17/08/2025 17:00

She is a pretty woman and good luck to her. But she looks absolutely terrible sometimes. Of course we are not allowed to say that.

In which photos does she look terrible. She always looks immaculate to me.

x2boys · 17/08/2025 17:43

cumbriaisbest · 17/08/2025 14:44

Isn't Cams related to a former Royal mistress? And the quiz lady? Judith somebody?

Yeah she waa the first person to win the million on who wants to be a millionaire
Judith Kemple?

cumbriaisbest · 17/08/2025 17:44

2dogsandabudgie · 17/08/2025 17:03

I think this is an unfair comment. She has had cancer and had chemotherapy. We don't know the type of cancer she had, but having been through that myself I know that afterwards I was emotionally and physically drained and it took a long time to get back to "normal". I still have longterm side effects which I will always have.

I absolutely would never kick somebody who is down. I guess what I would like to " kick" is the propaganda. I see a very very slim person,with a team of experts doing their best to make her look well and happy. We are being played.

I'm so sorry for any body who is ill.

cumbriaisbest · 17/08/2025 17:44

x2boys · 17/08/2025 17:43

Yeah she waa the first person to win the million on who wants to be a millionaire
Judith Kemple?

Kepple, I remember now. Alice Kepple.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 17/08/2025 18:03

have worked with most of the current royal family and very briefly with the late Queen and here are my observations

William - He is a very angry man. The pressure on him to maintain a constant public persona as the quiet, sensible one is immense and has resulted in him bottling things up since a young age, until they overflow and burst out of him like a volcano. This is usually directed at his friends and family (never Kate or the kids) but sometimes at member of the public or the press He's actually had quite a lot of therapy to try and sort this, mostly encouraged by Charles.
s for who he really is - he's not actually as quiet and sensible as you're lead to believe. He loves a joke, he's got a great sense of humour and he loved to party just as much as Harry in his younger years, don't be fooled.

Kate - She's kind to the staff and she loves children and is a very good mother. But she has massive internalised misogyny and basically hates all women. She sees them all as competition and threats. She's extremely close to her mother and is basically joined at the hip with her.

The King - He's extremely intelligent. Waaay more than he's given credit for. He's actually wasted as King IMO. He's also very soft, gentle and kind hearted. He feels everything very deeply. But the thing that really gets me is that he is so very clearly autistic and the press and wider world never seem to comment on it or notice it. His routines are set in stone down to the minute and he absolutely can not handle any little change. That temper tantrum over the pen wasn't just an entitled King throwing a strop. It was an autistic meltdown and everyone around him knew it. It baffles me how people can't take one look at him and see it.

Queen Camilla - She's basically Charles's carer. He requires a hell of a lot of help and support. He's unorganised and bumbling most of the time and he really needs her, he clings to her like a life raft. She loves him but not in a romantic way. She basically has quite a tough job and sees it as her right to claim the benefits of that job. She's alright to talk to but I'd say she's the most stand-offish of the lot of them and she drinks the most amount of coffee I have ever known anyone to drink.

Prince Andrew - Everything you would expect and more. Awful, horrible, nasty man. No good qualities whatsoever, except perhaps he does love his daughters. He treated Sarah like she should have kissed his feet every day in gratitude, when he bothered to pay her any attention at all (that last bit was before my time, but one hears things from people that know)

And now the ones that no one will believe me on:

Harry and Meghan - For the love of god, that woman can't do anything right in the eyes of the world, the public, the press or Harry's family. Kate didn't like her from the minute she heard she existed, William didn't like her from the moment he laid eyes on her. She, or any woman Harry married, was always going to be used as a scapegoat to take any negative attention off Camilla and Kate. Society loves to hate a woman and the people around the royals know this. They needed a woman to throw to the wolves to make Camilla and Kate look amazing by comparison and it was always going to be Harry's wife, no matter who she was.
But Harry, and it absolutely was Harry, not Meghan, who was the driving force between leaving the country and the family, made a huge mistake leaving and coming out with everything he has come out with because all that did was make everything worse for them. They made the Royal family look worse and so they had to make Meghan look worse in order to compensate for that. And it was always going to Meghan that took the hit because she's a woman and because they are still extremely old fashioned in their beliefs about pure bloodlines and looking perfect - they couldn't possibly slag off Harry as much as the evil dark-skinned American who corrupted our prince, yes, it must have been her.
I'm not saying she's perfect, she's not. But she's just an ordinary American woman quite honestly. She's an actress so she's confident, and she's got that loud, slightly over confident manner that a lot of Americans do have compared to the Brits, but she does have a good heart and she does love Harry and the kids (and yes, the kids are real) she'd have to, frankly, to stick around as long as she has with all the crap that's thrown at her daily.

So there you go - if you wanted to know that's them. They're imperfect people, they're a bit of a messy family, but they are pretty much the same as the rest of us with a lot of wealth, privilege and expectations put on them that no-one else in the entire country has.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 17/08/2025 18:07

doglover90 · 17/08/2025 14:55

There is wide speculation that she is using a hair piece to make it look so full. Nothing wrong with that but it explains why it's so thick and full. You can achieve a lot with the sort of money that she has! Look up pre engagement photos and you will see her 'natural' hair.

I don't know if she is using a hair piece but she does have her own private hairdresser and make-up artist that do her hair and make up almost every single day and sometimes several times a day if she is going to be public facing.
They were doing her hair and make up for her while she was in labour and then again after she had given birth.

NoVibrato · 17/08/2025 18:15

blackbunny · 17/08/2025 12:24

It keeps getting repeated that Diana didn’t meet Hewitt until after the birth of Harry. But how do we know for certain? She mixed in circles where Hewitt was employed.
Sometimes a view is repeated so often until it is accepted as a true fact.

And sometimes a lie can run three times around the world before the truth has a chance to put its socks on (misquoted from the late lamented Terry Pratchett).

Lampzade · 17/08/2025 18:21

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 17/08/2025 18:03

have worked with most of the current royal family and very briefly with the late Queen and here are my observations

William - He is a very angry man. The pressure on him to maintain a constant public persona as the quiet, sensible one is immense and has resulted in him bottling things up since a young age, until they overflow and burst out of him like a volcano. This is usually directed at his friends and family (never Kate or the kids) but sometimes at member of the public or the press He's actually had quite a lot of therapy to try and sort this, mostly encouraged by Charles.
s for who he really is - he's not actually as quiet and sensible as you're lead to believe. He loves a joke, he's got a great sense of humour and he loved to party just as much as Harry in his younger years, don't be fooled.

Kate - She's kind to the staff and she loves children and is a very good mother. But she has massive internalised misogyny and basically hates all women. She sees them all as competition and threats. She's extremely close to her mother and is basically joined at the hip with her.

The King - He's extremely intelligent. Waaay more than he's given credit for. He's actually wasted as King IMO. He's also very soft, gentle and kind hearted. He feels everything very deeply. But the thing that really gets me is that he is so very clearly autistic and the press and wider world never seem to comment on it or notice it. His routines are set in stone down to the minute and he absolutely can not handle any little change. That temper tantrum over the pen wasn't just an entitled King throwing a strop. It was an autistic meltdown and everyone around him knew it. It baffles me how people can't take one look at him and see it.

Queen Camilla - She's basically Charles's carer. He requires a hell of a lot of help and support. He's unorganised and bumbling most of the time and he really needs her, he clings to her like a life raft. She loves him but not in a romantic way. She basically has quite a tough job and sees it as her right to claim the benefits of that job. She's alright to talk to but I'd say she's the most stand-offish of the lot of them and she drinks the most amount of coffee I have ever known anyone to drink.

Prince Andrew - Everything you would expect and more. Awful, horrible, nasty man. No good qualities whatsoever, except perhaps he does love his daughters. He treated Sarah like she should have kissed his feet every day in gratitude, when he bothered to pay her any attention at all (that last bit was before my time, but one hears things from people that know)

And now the ones that no one will believe me on:

Harry and Meghan - For the love of god, that woman can't do anything right in the eyes of the world, the public, the press or Harry's family. Kate didn't like her from the minute she heard she existed, William didn't like her from the moment he laid eyes on her. She, or any woman Harry married, was always going to be used as a scapegoat to take any negative attention off Camilla and Kate. Society loves to hate a woman and the people around the royals know this. They needed a woman to throw to the wolves to make Camilla and Kate look amazing by comparison and it was always going to be Harry's wife, no matter who she was.
But Harry, and it absolutely was Harry, not Meghan, who was the driving force between leaving the country and the family, made a huge mistake leaving and coming out with everything he has come out with because all that did was make everything worse for them. They made the Royal family look worse and so they had to make Meghan look worse in order to compensate for that. And it was always going to Meghan that took the hit because she's a woman and because they are still extremely old fashioned in their beliefs about pure bloodlines and looking perfect - they couldn't possibly slag off Harry as much as the evil dark-skinned American who corrupted our prince, yes, it must have been her.
I'm not saying she's perfect, she's not. But she's just an ordinary American woman quite honestly. She's an actress so she's confident, and she's got that loud, slightly over confident manner that a lot of Americans do have compared to the Brits, but she does have a good heart and she does love Harry and the kids (and yes, the kids are real) she'd have to, frankly, to stick around as long as she has with all the crap that's thrown at her daily.

So there you go - if you wanted to know that's them. They're imperfect people, they're a bit of a messy family, but they are pretty much the same as the rest of us with a lot of wealth, privilege and expectations put on them that no-one else in the entire country has.

Really interesting
Particularly the comment about Charles being autistic

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/08/2025 18:21

Americano75 · 17/08/2025 14:22

The whole 'they bring in x billions to the country' is a load of crap. If they weren't here tourism wouldn't die, look at France for God's sake, Versailles is the most visited palace in Europe.

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that in the 21st century we still have people who are regarded as our superiors, purely because of the vagina they came out of or the person they married. Absolute piece of bloody nonsense.

Yes, but let's be honest, Buckingham palace has got nothing on Versailles.

Versailles is breath-taking, Buckingham palace is kind of meh in comparison.

People do like the fact that there is a living breathing royal family in there. They want to see the changing of the guard ceremony, the royal weddings, the funerals, the babies on the steps of the hospitals, the trooping of the colour etc. An empty English palace is going to get old very quickly.

bldy · 17/08/2025 18:22

@Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar

It's so obvious that M was the scapegoat & as you say any person in her place would be. It's very depressing though that the public lapped it up.

cumbriaisbest · 17/08/2025 18:24

Oliver James wrote brilliantly about how damaged they all are. KC so damaged by an an abusive childhood.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 17/08/2025 18:30

Lampzade · 17/08/2025 18:21

Really interesting
Particularly the comment about Charles being autistic

He absolutely is, and so is Prince Louis

Serpentstooth · 17/08/2025 18:31

Princess Catherine has been seriously unwell. Do you talk about your friends and family in this way when they're in recovery from cancer? What the hell is wrong with you all?

Americano75 · 17/08/2025 18:35

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/08/2025 18:21

Yes, but let's be honest, Buckingham palace has got nothing on Versailles.

Versailles is breath-taking, Buckingham palace is kind of meh in comparison.

People do like the fact that there is a living breathing royal family in there. They want to see the changing of the guard ceremony, the royal weddings, the funerals, the babies on the steps of the hospitals, the trooping of the colour etc. An empty English palace is going to get old very quickly.

I don't agree. How many tourists actually clap eyes on a member of the RF when they come to the country? And it's just Buckingham Palace that could be opened in its entirety, with all its priceless artefacts and works of art, there's Windsor Castle and every other royal residence.

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/08/2025 18:38

Americano75 · 17/08/2025 18:35

I don't agree. How many tourists actually clap eyes on a member of the RF when they come to the country? And it's just Buckingham Palace that could be opened in its entirety, with all its priceless artefacts and works of art, there's Windsor Castle and every other royal residence.

It's the fact that they could possibly (in their own eyes anyway) catch a glimpse that's such a massive draw for them.
Look how many people line the streets when there's a royal event. A mere glimpse of one of them passing by, or a handshake with one of them means the world to a hell of a lot of people, thousands are willing to wait for hours on end just for the chance.
I don't know why, but they do.
Our palaces would have to be a hell of a lot more impressive to match that level of adoration.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 17/08/2025 18:48

bldy · 17/08/2025 18:22

@Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar

It's so obvious that M was the scapegoat & as you say any person in her place would be. It's very depressing though that the public lapped it up.

Chelsey Davy knew it. She was advised not to marry Harry by a lot of people because of it and she chose to listen. From what I was told, hef father asked Harry not to propose as he didn't want to see it happen to her.

Meghan was advised the same thing by a lot of people, even Harry had to lay it out for her, but she simply didn't get it didn't think it would be that bad, and had that very American "everything will be fine, have gun, will travel" attitude and a reasonably immature "all you need is love, us against the world" kind of attitude to it all so she married him.
He left very guilty for what happened to her and it was very much him that wanted to take her away. I honestly think she would have stuck in Britain and continued believing that things would work out alright until she could no longer take any more and left him or.... worse.

It really is awful how much that couple have been used and abused and this is just what I know. There will be a tonne of worse things that only the most inner circle will ever know.

Futurehappiness · 17/08/2025 18:49

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/08/2025 18:38

It's the fact that they could possibly (in their own eyes anyway) catch a glimpse that's such a massive draw for them.
Look how many people line the streets when there's a royal event. A mere glimpse of one of them passing by, or a handshake with one of them means the world to a hell of a lot of people, thousands are willing to wait for hours on end just for the chance.
I don't know why, but they do.
Our palaces would have to be a hell of a lot more impressive to match that level of adoration.

There are 1000's of tourists in the country at the moment. I just don't believe they are all drawn to the UK on the off chance that they would catch sight of a Royal.

There is also evidence that the crowd numbers are declining, and the Royals are regularly greeted by anti-monarchy protesters these days.

bldy · 17/08/2025 19:00

@Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar the whole mess really showed me what a parasocial relationship some have with the Royals. It's toxic af!

2dogsandabudgie · 17/08/2025 19:04

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 17/08/2025 18:07

I don't know if she is using a hair piece but she does have her own private hairdresser and make-up artist that do her hair and make up almost every single day and sometimes several times a day if she is going to be public facing.
They were doing her hair and make up for her while she was in labour and then again after she had given birth.

Were you in the room with her whilst she was giving birth? I'm quite sure the last thing any woman would want whilst in labour would be someone faffing about with their hair, not to mention what the midwife/doctor would have to say.

Futurehappiness · 17/08/2025 19:05

It was really disappointing that W&K could not be bothered to interrupt their holiday to attend the VJ commemoration....instead they got their staff to post a brief online 'Lest we forget' message.

I find that offensive but the worst thing is that nobody is surprised as we have been well & truly trained to have low expectations of them.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 17/08/2025 19:07

x2boys · 16/08/2025 10:40

At least a President would be voted for.

That hardly fills me with confidence. Look at the current shit show the great British public voted in.

cumbriaisbest · 17/08/2025 19:08

Serpentstooth · 17/08/2025 18:31

Princess Catherine has been seriously unwell. Do you talk about your friends and family in this way when they're in recovery from cancer? What the hell is wrong with you all?

No I don't. I expressed myself poorly. I object to the propaganda which must be unpleasant for her too.

2dogsandabudgie · 17/08/2025 19:09

Cantheowner - So having claimed to have worked with the royal family not only do you see yourself as a mindreader able to read Camilla's thoughts " she loves Charles but not in a romantic way" but you're also able to make a medical diagnosis about King Charles. Laughable really.

Americano75 · 17/08/2025 19:15

comeandhaveteawithme · 17/08/2025 18:38

It's the fact that they could possibly (in their own eyes anyway) catch a glimpse that's such a massive draw for them.
Look how many people line the streets when there's a royal event. A mere glimpse of one of them passing by, or a handshake with one of them means the world to a hell of a lot of people, thousands are willing to wait for hours on end just for the chance.
I don't know why, but they do.
Our palaces would have to be a hell of a lot more impressive to match that level of adoration.

Does anyone really, really they're going to catch a glimpse of any of them, really? Nonsense. Those crowds are getting less and less crowd like. The palaces could generate a massive amount of revenue if they were open to the public.

SomethingFun · 17/08/2025 19:22

These people are bleeding the country of money so they can live a life of luxury whilst doing fuck all and what gets people going is bitching about Kate’s hair and makeup when she’s had cancer. Ffs.

I couldn’t care less if William is angry or Charles is autistic, they are obviously an unhappy bunch and should sack it off and leave us be. I think the other aristos won’t let them though as it’s not just the royal family, but the whole lot of the parasitical class that need to pay their tax, give back whatever they stole from our ancestors and fuck off and get real jobs.

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