Still think Two Tier justice does not exist?

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Ricky Jones found not guilty..my flabber has never been so ghasted!
Anyone have any views..

I know what I am going for.

That works bit ways tbf. Although despite more yabu posts the vote isn’t reflecting that.

You're positing a false equivalence.

Many posters here have explained over and over again why the OP is incorrect and have clarified the difference in the legal processes involved. Those posts are a matter of fact. People can feel there is a two tier system, but that does not make it true.

The vote is a reflection of that - people either cannot understand the legal system, in which case they should make the effort to learn and understand, or they do not want to understand the legal system, in which case they have an agenda.

Those of us who have explained why OP is incorrect are simply stating facts. There's no 'both ways' here - and I do not understand why you want there to be.

It is valid to feel unhappy with the workings of the legal system in these cases - personally, as I have said, I feel that Ricky Jones should not have walked away from what he said without consequences. Expressing that unhappiness is fine. But that doesn't mean it is correct to say we have a two tier justice system. We have a two option justice system, in some if not all cases. Lucy Connolly chose one option and it turned out badly for her. Too bad, so sad.

I don’t think so. I agree with the idea that justice needs to be seen to be done, and in that case public sentiment counts.

People can view the actions of LC and RJ and measure the outcomes against that.

I think the idea that justice needs to be seen to be done and therefore public opinion should count is a very, very dangerous one indeed. It's the sort of thing authoritarian governments do. It means social media witch hunts can influence justice. It's chilling that you think this is a good idea.

It’s the reality. You can’t force people to think the way you want them to.

They have an opinion on LC and RJ.

They can have an opinion. The legal system is not under any obligation to change because of it.

When even people like JRM are telling the Two Tier brigade that they are incorrect, it's time to acknowledge that they are in fact incorrect and should not be pandered to.

History tells us what we get when we choose the path of appeasement.

I hate to break it to you, but a MN YANBU vote result of 67% of 243 just means 161 MN users out of however many millions have the opinion that we have two-tier justice.

I know you will reply with he usual something-something about Labour on mn. But it doesn't change the actual reality. The two-tier justice nonsense only began after the horrors of Southport and, as Pointy says, there is an agenda at work. We see it.

I think Dominic Grieve would agree with me.

You don’t need to couch ‘breaking’ anything. The thread doesn’t match the vote as much as that might frustrate some posters.

If people don’t think as you want there’s not much you can do about it.

You mean if people don't understand the legal process and go for the 'feelz'

No and ‘feelz’ no

Labour have not lifted the party suspension of esteemed councillor so now he has been found not guilty should the suspension be ended?

I hate to break it to you, but 161 internet strangers having a different opinion to mine doesn't frustrate or worry me.

The agenda of some posters is worrying though. Especially those who spread crap created by far-right X accounts.

You don’t need to use the first line again, but if you’re only counting on 161 thinking differently avoid X and the media.

I think he was advised by the Labour Party not to attend the demo? So maybe there will be grounds for kicking him out.

Good point. If he is indeed an innocent man, the suspension should be lifted and he should be reinstated.

Not guilty isn't the same as innocent - as many MNetters trot out when other crimes are involved.

There is no question that Jones did what was alleged - after all it was caught on video. What was put into doubt was the intention behind it.

Who remembers the Twitter bomb hoaxer who was ultimately cleared ?

Ha. I thought as much.

He was found innocent of the crime he was charged with. There is no doubt that he made the gesture and also broke party rules. I’m pretty sure the suspension won’t be lifted. As a Labour Party member I hope it isn’t.

Labour will be damned if it kicks him out and damned if it doesn't.

Two tier justice definitely exists. You cannot trust the justice system in this country. Just like you cannot trust the police or any other authorities. And you can definitely not trust the government. No wonder this country is fast becoming a third world country.

What does two tier justice mean? What's your definition of a 'third world country?

Your genuine concern for Ricky Jones and the Labour party is so touching and heartfelt.

You have two tier justice in a third world country.

The UK is a third world country so has two tier justice.

I am surprised you don't get it, what with your words and stuff.

Oh is that what it means? People say stuff and it's true.

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