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Redcurrent100 · 13/08/2025 11:02

Please Help. I am starting to feel like my friends therapist and I’m struggling. She is going through a horrible situation, but I feel like I’m stuck.

Friend is going through a nasty “we’re going to end the engagement” but 5 mins later “we’re going to give it another go” with her fiancé now for the last 6-7 months.

He isn’t a great person. In 3 years of knowing each other they have had 2 kids and got engaged. She has always moaned about him, but never to this extent. I’ve spent the whole time wondering why she is with him or marrying him.

He is so controlling, financially, socially, everything.

Every day for the last 7 months my friend comes to me, calls me, pops over and chats about what he’s done wrong now. Last night I spent an hour on the phone to her whilst she tells me he’s stopped her going out tonight and what not but then this morning she’s messaged to say they sorted things and that she loves him.

I’m meant to be seeing her this weekend for a mums day out (I have young DC as well) and the whole day will be spent talking about her toxic fiancé. Nothing will change.

What do I do? I don’t want to say never talk to me about him again but I can’t keep doing this for my sanity.

OP posts:
Wolfieisagoodboy · 13/08/2025 12:47

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This book is a quick read that really opens your eyes in terms of relationship dynamics and the (unhealthy) roles we can play. I had a situation similar to yours with a friend and was finding it really draining, and this book opened my eyes to what was going on and how I was enabling it in a way. I was trying to be a supportive friend ultimately, but long-term it wasn't in theirs or mine best interest to have me as (untrained, overwhelmed) therapist. Might be worth a read!

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godmum56 · 13/08/2025 12:48

Redcurrent100 · 13/08/2025 12:46

I don’t think people fully realise how hard it is to be someone’s main support and a lot of people on this thread understandably accuse me of poor boundaries but they know nothing about my life or the reason I am trying to support my friend. It isn’t easy to just tell someone to shut up or ignore their calls or texts when they are vulnerable but at the same time this thread has made me realise I’m not responsible for my friend and I feel a weight lifted because to tell you the truth that reassurance has helped me gain confidence to deal with my friend.

I will most likely be there helping her move in and helping her settle but I no longer want to do the whole rant circle anymore. If I hear his name again I feel like I’m going to cry.

Yes people do realise and its why they stop doing it. "Its soooooo hard to stop" is a common theme.

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Londontown12 · 13/08/2025 12:56

Be upfront and honest !! And say you either shut up or put up !! Simple !
sometimes they need to be told

bevm72yellow · 13/08/2025 12:57

Every time she rocks up or calls in do not stop what you are doing. Washing dishes and keep washing then next task whilst she talks. Pick a laundry basket every time she appears at your door a d walk off to "just be a minute " to get laundry then sort laundry or hang stuff as she talks. You are giving her time sk slowly subtlety take it back. Every time she is on the phone talk to your children at the same time " hand me that"..." don't do that" " leave him/ her alone". After a while she will find she is fighting for your time and it should get less and less. I have done this and it is helpful. After a while she may complain or moan about less time with you just say " but I chatted to you last week" or on Monday." and the Saturday before that. Don't immediately ring back if she rings you or texts you. If you do ring her " have the dinner cooking" so you need to attend to it after 10mins. All a slow approach

bevm72yellow · 13/08/2025 12:59

You can still be a friend but on a time that accommodate you.

PigletSanders · 13/08/2025 13:03

TammyJones · 13/08/2025 11:33

Your dh is right.
Also know as an emotional vampire.
I used ti be like your friend.
I can assure you, you are not helping.
You are keeping her stuck
You really need to step back , but you won’t.
sadly , on some level you are getting something out of it.
Maybe you feel needed
In my case my ‘rescuer’ felt superior.
As long as I was failing their life looked great.
Eventually when my life was on the up , they dropped me ..,.,. and strangely my life got even better ….

Bloody hell. 🤣 nice try at blaming literally anyone but yourself for your own shitty situation.

Just what on earth were you thinking of trying to blame the OP for her friend’s abusive relationship?! lol.

IVbumble · 13/08/2025 13:05

Perhaps view this as a good thing OP because you are beginning to realise how much you might be enabling her behaviour.

This also means that maybe you don't need to feel needed by her so much.

If this is the case it sounds like you have emotionally evolved a little more & will eventually reach a place where you accept yourself just as you are & not as someone who has to support someone else to feel 'good enough'.

boopthatdog · 13/08/2025 13:06

You need to put a stop to it asap for your own sanity. A relative is in a situation like this with another relative - only it’s a the other relative’s partner not fiancé - it has been going on for 10 years now. 10 years of her giving advice that has been ignored, 10 years of listening to rants and “what should I do?” For any feedback to be dismissed. People only hear what they want to hear or just enjoy the drama!

iamnotalemon · 13/08/2025 13:08

Sparklesocks · 13/08/2025 11:12

It might sound quite harsh but I think I’d be quite upfront.

Friend, we are going around in circles in these patterns. I care for you deeply but we both know fiancé can treat you badly and you aren’t happy a lot of the time with him, we talk it through, but then you make up and the cycle begins again. I’m here for you but we talk about it all the time and nothing changes, and I find it quite intense to keep hashing it out. I love you but I’m finding it’s starting to impact our friendship as it dominates all of our time together. I can’t keep talking about it. You need to address it with him, or maybe a professional, but something has to give here.

I think this is the best approach

PigletSanders · 13/08/2025 13:09

This thread, like so many others, is full of posters who pretend they’re so articulate and direct, could see exactly what to do in this situation and would react accordingly, instantly, with nary a moment’s hesitation nor guilt upon completion.

If you people need to feel better about yourselves, do something in the real world, don’t lash out at an OP whose only crime is for feel compassion and responsibility towards a friend who is in an abusive relationship and who has had former MH issues.

SeaGreenSeaGlass · 13/08/2025 13:11

Reading up on the drama triangle should be useful. It explains what a previous poster meant about your own role in this.

The concept of the Drama Triangle was proposed by psychiatrist Stephen Karpman in 1968. As a model of social interaction, Karpman believed that the Drama Triangle effectively described how we often adopt one of three unhealthy roles when attempting to resolve conflict.

These roles are:
The Victim
The Rescuer
The Persecutor

Although we are capable of shifting between these three roles depending on our unique circumstances and situation, more often than not, we assume only one. Also, our early years may influence the role we fall into. For instance, if you grew up with an authoritarian or punitive parent, you might fall into the Persecutor role when your child doesn’t behave as expected. Alternatively, a similar childhood may also cause you to take an opposing role such as the Rescuer if you deem your best friend’s partner to be treating them poorly.

The Victim
Before we talk about the Victim, it’s important to make a distinction: we’re not talking about an actual victim (someone who was harmed by a traumatic event). Instead, we’re talking about times when we act like a victim.
The Victim is often described as having the “Poor me” mindset. In this stance, feeling hopeless, trapped, ashamed, embarrassed, and helpless is the norm.
In the Victim stance, we doubt our capabilities and look to others for guidance, allowing them to take responsibility and control over our lives. The people we seek out when we’re in the Victim position tend to be Rescuers. But what is a Rescuer?

The Rescuer
“Let me help you” is the stance the Rescuer usually takes. The Rescuer is often available to come to other people’s aid, especially when that person falls into the Victim role. Rescuers see Victims as vulnerable and do their best to intervene and save them from Persecutors.
Unfortunately, Rescuers feel so compelled to help Victims that they may sacrifice their own time, energy, and needs in the process.

The Persecutor
The Persecutor, on the other hand, is critical. Imagine someone saying, “This is all your fault” – this is textbook Persecutor behavior.
When a person is in the Persecutor role, they:
Are critical of another person’s actions, either not understanding why the person acted in a certain way or assuming the person had negative intentions.
Respond with judgmental criticism.
By acting in this way, the Persecutor belittles the other person, making them feel useless, ashamed, and inadequate. In other words, they pull them into the Victim role.
It’s important to note that while the Persecutor is typically critical of someone else, they are also often critical of themselves. In this way, they may flip between the Persecutor and Victim roles, being critical in some instances and feeling helpless and vulnerable in others.
Unfortunately, stepping into the Drama Triangle, whatever the role we take, is maladaptive. So, if you’re asking, “Which position should I be in?” The answer is none of them. Instead, the road to healthy relationships lies in stepping out of the Drama Triangle altogether

Battels · 13/08/2025 13:12

PigletSanders · 13/08/2025 13:09

This thread, like so many others, is full of posters who pretend they’re so articulate and direct, could see exactly what to do in this situation and would react accordingly, instantly, with nary a moment’s hesitation nor guilt upon completion.

If you people need to feel better about yourselves, do something in the real world, don’t lash out at an OP whose only crime is for feel compassion and responsibility towards a friend who is in an abusive relationship and who has had former MH issues.

No, we’re people who grew up around chronic people-pleasers, were trained to do the same, saw what depths of resentment it caused, and did the work on unpicking our training in early adulthood.

Redcurrent100 · 13/08/2025 13:12

PigletSanders · 13/08/2025 13:09

This thread, like so many others, is full of posters who pretend they’re so articulate and direct, could see exactly what to do in this situation and would react accordingly, instantly, with nary a moment’s hesitation nor guilt upon completion.

If you people need to feel better about yourselves, do something in the real world, don’t lash out at an OP whose only crime is for feel compassion and responsibility towards a friend who is in an abusive relationship and who has had former MH issues.

I KNOW I need to step back, I know I need to put boundaries in place but I do ask myself if some mumsnetters would turn a blind eye to a friend in an abusive relationship. Maybe it’s easy to say over keyboard but in real life would they feel the same

OP posts:
boopthatdog · 13/08/2025 13:12

boopthatdog · 13/08/2025 13:06

You need to put a stop to it asap for your own sanity. A relative is in a situation like this with another relative - only it’s a the other relative’s partner not fiancé - it has been going on for 10 years now. 10 years of her giving advice that has been ignored, 10 years of listening to rants and “what should I do?” For any feedback to be dismissed. People only hear what they want to hear or just enjoy the drama!

Not saying that your friend is doing it for the drama - but I think some people in similar situations in off/on relationships do

Mrsbloggz · 13/08/2025 13:12

I agree with the 'step back softly' advice. She is probably overwhelmed and just can't see how much she is putting on you.
Every time you talk her down it helps her to feel better but she uses that 'feeling better energy' to give her the strength to tolerate the bad relationship.
I'm not saying she shouldn't be helped but often we can only see in hindsight that helping had shifted into enabling.

Redcurrent100 · 13/08/2025 13:13

SeaGreenSeaGlass · 13/08/2025 13:11

Reading up on the drama triangle should be useful. It explains what a previous poster meant about your own role in this.

The concept of the Drama Triangle was proposed by psychiatrist Stephen Karpman in 1968. As a model of social interaction, Karpman believed that the Drama Triangle effectively described how we often adopt one of three unhealthy roles when attempting to resolve conflict.

These roles are:
The Victim
The Rescuer
The Persecutor

Although we are capable of shifting between these three roles depending on our unique circumstances and situation, more often than not, we assume only one. Also, our early years may influence the role we fall into. For instance, if you grew up with an authoritarian or punitive parent, you might fall into the Persecutor role when your child doesn’t behave as expected. Alternatively, a similar childhood may also cause you to take an opposing role such as the Rescuer if you deem your best friend’s partner to be treating them poorly.

The Victim
Before we talk about the Victim, it’s important to make a distinction: we’re not talking about an actual victim (someone who was harmed by a traumatic event). Instead, we’re talking about times when we act like a victim.
The Victim is often described as having the “Poor me” mindset. In this stance, feeling hopeless, trapped, ashamed, embarrassed, and helpless is the norm.
In the Victim stance, we doubt our capabilities and look to others for guidance, allowing them to take responsibility and control over our lives. The people we seek out when we’re in the Victim position tend to be Rescuers. But what is a Rescuer?

The Rescuer
“Let me help you” is the stance the Rescuer usually takes. The Rescuer is often available to come to other people’s aid, especially when that person falls into the Victim role. Rescuers see Victims as vulnerable and do their best to intervene and save them from Persecutors.
Unfortunately, Rescuers feel so compelled to help Victims that they may sacrifice their own time, energy, and needs in the process.

The Persecutor
The Persecutor, on the other hand, is critical. Imagine someone saying, “This is all your fault” – this is textbook Persecutor behavior.
When a person is in the Persecutor role, they:
Are critical of another person’s actions, either not understanding why the person acted in a certain way or assuming the person had negative intentions.
Respond with judgmental criticism.
By acting in this way, the Persecutor belittles the other person, making them feel useless, ashamed, and inadequate. In other words, they pull them into the Victim role.
It’s important to note that while the Persecutor is typically critical of someone else, they are also often critical of themselves. In this way, they may flip between the Persecutor and Victim roles, being critical in some instances and feeling helpless and vulnerable in others.
Unfortunately, stepping into the Drama Triangle, whatever the role we take, is maladaptive. So, if you’re asking, “Which position should I be in?” The answer is none of them. Instead, the road to healthy relationships lies in stepping out of the Drama Triangle altogether

Edited

Thank you for this, i completely relate to this

OP posts:
SeaGreenSeaGlass · 13/08/2025 13:18

You're welcome, you may also find it useful to read up on codependent relationships.

Britneyfan · 13/08/2025 13:19

Lowerback · 13/08/2025 12:15

This.

Have you told her plainly and directly that he is an abusive man? That this is a shit, abusive relationship?

It can be really hard to see it when you are in it. Your view of what is normal has been utterly eroded.

Mumsnet is great for being blunt to women about the state of their relationships/ partners but unfortunately friends in RL are not. And this makes it hard for women to see reality. And that keeps them in these shit relationships.

I would tell her plainly who he really is each time.

OP, this is great advice. If you’re going to have a difficult conversation anyway (which I agree is needed), please tell her clearly that you think he is abusive and controlling and frequently upsets her, even to the point of suicidal thoughts and plans, tell her she deserves better than this and that not all men are like this, and signpost her to Women’s Aid. She might also benefit from individual formal counselling.

I agree it’s a worry that she wants to marry him, as she will be more tied to him financially and in living situation, but to be honest she is already fairly tied to him marriage or not due to having 2 kids with him. So she is already deeply in a controlling abusive relationship. And it will be very hard to face up to the fact that she will never have the happy family she wants. But you are obviously very close so your opinion does matter to her and it’s definitely still worth specifically pointing out control and abuse as a real problem (can’t believe a pp said this woman trapped in domestic abuse with the father of her children doesn’t have “real” problems, this is as real as it gets),

I have been in a controlling abusive marriage and it really helped me when people pointed out my ex’s awful behaviour to me, specifically stating that it was abusive or controlling (this was incredibly rare despite how awful he was, even after I told people he had punched me in the face, in fact I actually found it quite confusing that friends and family were not horrified by that and telling me to LTB, which I’d been half thinking I needed to do at that point, and it made me think perhaps I was overreacting).

It took time for me to wake up to what was going on and act on it, it’s extremely confusing being in an abusive relationship, and there are odd dynamics in play and considerations you have to make that you can’t really understand until you have been in one I think. It sounds so simple in theory but it’s so hard to extricate yourself in reality. But it’s crucial to have “outsiders” (to the relationship) who are on your side and willing to call out behaviour and label it as controlling or abusive, as that is hard to ignore over time, especially when repeated comments from different sources are made.

Even though it might seem like your words are falling on deaf ears at the time, somewhere in their psyche it will be sinking in deeply. I still remember a few “flashbulb” moments that really changed how I looked at things, and ultimately led to me separating and divorcing my abusive ex husband, including a sharp-eyed work colleague pulling me aside when I was pregnant and pointing out fingerprints bruises on my arm and asking if my husband had grabbed me roughly there. Of course I denied it at the time even though that’s exactly what had happened, I hadn’t realised I had bruises. But she clearly wasn’t convinced and said ok but if that was happening just know that’s not ok, it’s not my fault, it’s not a normal part of a marriage, and that domestic abuse often starts or ramps up in pregnancy and to please come to her if I ever need to speak to someone about it or need financial or practical support in leaving. I’ll be forever grateful to her as she really made me stop and think actually this isn’t ok, other people can see it too, and I’ve literally had to lie to someone’s face about the reality of my marriage, and why did I feel the need to to do that etc. She basically triggered me to admit to myself that I was in an abusive relationship.

Another moment was when a fairly new acquaintance who had been in an abusive relationship herself said she wasn’t at all surprised that my husband picked a huge argument with me about absolutely nothing just before me and her were due to go out for the evening, and suggested he’d done it on purpose to try and stop me going or at least make me so upset and exhausted that I’d struggle to enjoy it properly anyway and build up friendships. I hadn’t ever looked at our arguments that way and it was illuminating as it actually made so much more logical sense of the crazy argument we’d just had over nothing. It’s possible that there is some of this dynamic happening in your situation too, he will want to cut her off from such a close relationship with you so maybe he is picking fights with her on purpose when she is due to see you.

OP I love that you are there for your friend, you describe it as a very close relationship, almost like sisters. Yes you still need to have boundaries to protect your own wellbeing, but it’s very understandable that you find it hard to draw those in such a close relationship with someone with mental health issues and who is currently embroiled in an abusive relationship. And it doesn’t make you weak or stupid etc. Having said that I would really encourage you not to cut off your friend completely, as abusers often successfully end up isolating their victim meaning there is less chance for “outsiders” to notice what is going on and question it etc. It’s so important for her to have someone in touch with her regularly who is on her side. Fell free to tell her you have your own stuff to handle too and can’t spend all your time and energy on her fallouts with her fiancé as you’re finding it really draining of your own spirits, and also want to spend more of your time together making positive memories and having some fun. But do also tell her that you love her and care about her and are ultimately there for her even at 3am in a real crisis, and that you want her to know you see him as controlling and abusive of her.

I’m not surprised she is having these long circular exhausting conversations with you about each argument, one of the tactics of abusers is literally called “crazymaking”, they deliberately cause someone to be in a confused state of brain fog where they are spending so much time and energy trying to just understand what is going wrong in their relationship without ever allowing them to wake up to the simple reality that it’s an abusive relationship and therefore there is nothing they could ever do or say to lead to a different better relationship in future.

What you describe of her relationship is the “cycle of abuse” where the abuse ramps up until there is a huge conflict and eg they break up, followed by a honeymoon period where they get back together and then it all builds again, the cycle tends to get shorter and shorter as time goes on leading to more frequent conflicts and less honeymoon period. It’s well worth educating yourself about the tactics of abusers so that you can spot them and call them out as you see them. There is a book called “Living with the Dominator” that is invaluable for this.

TammyJones · 13/08/2025 13:20

PigletSanders · 13/08/2025 13:03

Bloody hell. 🤣 nice try at blaming literally anyone but yourself for your own shitty situation.

Just what on earth were you thinking of trying to blame the OP for her friend’s abusive relationship?! lol.

Where on Earth are you getting that?
And , untimely, we are all responsible for our own happiness.
You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
op Is, by her own words - ‘an unpaid therapist?
It not helping friend and op is now getting resentful.
the friend needs therapy.
I had therapy ( and it helped immensely )
When someone enables a person like this , they never get chance to stand on their own feet and thrive.
op is probably a very nice, caring person, but like all people pleaser , they reach this point.

gamerchick · 13/08/2025 13:23

Depends on how good a friend she is. You could pull back but I'd personally tell her that you don't want to hear how shit life is if she's not going to do anything about it. That you will be there ready to help when she's ready to get rid of him. Or words to that effect.

Jennalong · 13/08/2025 13:27

I have a friend with a health anxiety that keeps sending me photos of body parts as she is convinced something is wrong or diseased and yes I've now seen it all .

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 13/08/2025 13:28

Tell her straight. Say 'look, this is going round in circles. I'm between a rock and a hard place because you keep saying you are going to leave him but then you don't, so I have to be really careful what I say about him in case you hold it against me later. But it seems to me that he makes you unhappy more often than he makes you happy and on that basis you should probably leave. But if you don't want to, and with two small children I understand, then you need to just accept how he is and get on with it. You've chosen him and there's no point going on and on about how he's not very nice unless you are prepared to change your situation. I am completely out of useful advice to give and my listening ear is getting thoroughly worn out from hearing the same old stuff while nothing changes. It's just depressing me now.'

She'll probably be really shocked and stunned that you've dared to say it, because she's used to you playing the role of the ever-patient sounding board while she blathers on. But it's not fair. She's draining you. Not everything can be about her 100% of the time. She needs to spread the load and not tip it all onto you.

godmum56 · 13/08/2025 13:30

Redcurrent100 · 13/08/2025 13:12

I KNOW I need to step back, I know I need to put boundaries in place but I do ask myself if some mumsnetters would turn a blind eye to a friend in an abusive relationship. Maybe it’s easy to say over keyboard but in real life would they feel the same

no of course not and no one is telling you to do this.....but the thing is you posted here for advice and this is not an uncommon situation....your responses of "I know I need to do this but its so hard" "I feel responsible" are also not uncommon. When it comes down to it.....your choice.

Teenytwo · 13/08/2025 13:30

My friend being upfront gave me the courage to leave. She wasn’t rude or blunt, but she did say things like “well yes he has habit for doing this so what do you want going forward” then when I would say I want to be able to go out, or have my own money she would say “well that doesn’t seem possible in this relationship so what is more important” it really made me reflect on the fact I was constantly moaning to her but doing nothing myself to leave and fix it.