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To think Kate and William saw Harry and Meghan as a real threat to their image?

491 replies

BluntPinkNewt · 09/08/2025 11:32

From the moment Harry and Meghan got together, the media attention was huge. Meghan was glamorous, charismatic, and had a strong public presence - something the royal family hadn’t seen before from an outsider. For a while, it felt like they were the most exciting and modern part of the monarchy.

Kate and William have always been the “stable” and “traditional” royals but suddenly, Harry and Meghan were drawing attention in a way that might have made them seem more relatable and interesting in comparison. The shift in public perception (and maybe even palace dynamics) must have been unsettling.

Obviously things have played out the way they have but AIBU to think that, at least at the time, William and Kate felt genuinely threatened by how much attention and influence Harry and Meghan were gaining?

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Countessy · 09/08/2025 21:39

Well if they did, which I doubt, W and K have won haven’t they?

And whilst I think she’s treated very unfairly by the media, Meghan is about as charismatic as a wet dishcloth.

toiletpiper · 09/08/2025 21:42

I think they just coast and hope for the best. To me, and just my opinion, but that is just not working.

@jumpingthehighjump there is definitely some oomph missing

jumpingthehighjump · 09/08/2025 21:43

toiletpiper · 09/08/2025 21:42

I think they just coast and hope for the best. To me, and just my opinion, but that is just not working.

@jumpingthehighjump there is definitely some oomph missing

Oomph is severely lacking yes!

Perfectlystill · 09/08/2025 21:56

lol

OrangeAxolotyl · 09/08/2025 22:35

wordler · 09/08/2025 21:02

Key phrase was monarchs

I'm pretty sure the Queen wasn't sucking toes and having threesomes!

We like our monarchs dutiful and pleasant.

We like our adjacent royal family members to provide the gossip and tabloid tales.

That's what caused Charles' popularity blip - he chose unwisely for his marriage and ended up in the realms of gossip, affairs, tell all interviews and biographies.

Now he's in his dutiful grandfather King phase he is popular and considered to be doing a good job.

William and Kate are keeping the drama quotiant low and the cheerful public appearances on point.

Andrew and Harry are providing the gossip fodder - all by themselves - no need for any leaking.

This, exactly 💯

lifeonmars100 · 10/08/2025 00:19

mauvaiseherbe · 09/08/2025 21:12

Princess Margaret smoking through State banquets, cavorting with Roddy, married to bisexual Snowdon, QM on the gin and huge debts, Alexandra’s husband Ogilvy and the Lonrho affair, the obnoxious Andrew and his antics, Philip and his crush on Merle Oberon, ultra glam Marie Christine and her nazi father and supposed flings, Anne’s husband fathering an extra marital child, Anne’s relationship with APB while Charles was with Camilla, all change, on and on, paternities questioned, more gin delivered, they are just like us but richer

Like an aristocratic version of the Jeremy Kyle show, the lie detector would combust with that lot

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 10/08/2025 07:48

Zonder · 09/08/2025 19:44

This. Who knew until recently that Charles has a favourite holiday home on Romania that he goes to loads. That's never reported on.

It was on the news several years ago. It’s also come up in a discussion on the RF, on MN sometime ago.

I think W & K have been treated better by the press, than Diana was, because William makes it clear where the boundaries are; but imo Diana was hounded by the paparazzi? She might still be here, if they hadn’t been chased that night in Paris?

Zonder · 10/08/2025 08:10

I don't follow RF on MN so I wouldn't have known that discussion. I only heard of it on some programme a few months ago where they visited the house. I'm only on this thread because I followed a link recently to Meghan's merch site which gave me a glimpse into why she's unpopular in the UK.

Serenster · 10/08/2025 09:14

So if you don’t follow the Royal family Zonder, and don’t read stories about them in the press, how on earth can you complain that Charles’ Romanian properties have never been reported on? Clearly, you would have no idea whether they have been or not.

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 09:26

wordler · 09/08/2025 21:14

Well, if you don't want a monarch at all then I imagine nothing about the current heir would appeal.

You can keep trying to show William in a negative light but he must be doing something right because he consistently polls as the most popular royal in the UK with a very high approval rating.

In America, he polled as the most popular public figure above all their own public figures, universally liked by both Republicans and Democrats.

In a Uk.gov poll in 2021 asking who would you choose as an elected head of state instead of a monarch William was the top choice ahead of David Attenburgh and even his own grandmother who was monarch at the time.

So it's possible he may not be dutiful, pleasant, intelligent and potentially a good leader but he's doing a bang up impression of it.

Hilarious

Is this the William who couldn’t even be arsed to memorise a line of oath at this father’s pantomime ( sorry coronation!) and had to read it off a card? So dutiful

Is this the William who was the sole person remaining seated at a state banquet while everyone else was giving Charles a standing ovation? So dutiful

Is this the William who his aged Aunt Anne has most unusually for her, publicly criticised for his bone idleness ? So dutiful

William is unpleasant ( and journalists tell us regularly that he rages ) and his few attempts at baring his teeth ( the ‘smile’ does not reach his eyes) while in the vicinity of the public, fall flat .

Your polls are meaningless .

Give voters a chance to express a simple yes/ no re continuing to hand over half a billion a year from the hard pressed taxpayer .
That’s the only poll I’m interested in . If the royals were truly popular there would be no issue with such a question. It was done over 100 years ago in Norway .

OrangeAxolotyl · 10/08/2025 09:28

So, @Ukisgaslit , you want a referendum on the monarchy?
Perhaps start lobbying for that with your MP.

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 09:31

It doesn’t need to be a referendum. Royalists often squeal at the very thought of the cost of a referendum ( while turning a blind eye to the half a billion a year currently draining away to the Windsors )

Im talking about a bit of ink added to a ballot paper to get a clearer idea of where we stand

It would even favour the right wing older royalist types as they are more likely to vote .

Cadenza12 · 10/08/2025 09:31

It felt like after a while M&H thought that they should take centre stage because of their popularity. Obviously that's not how it works.

jumpingthehighjump · 10/08/2025 09:40

I just find it bizarre that William doesn't take on more, given his father's age and diagnosis of ongoing cancer treatment.
Why doesn't he?
Why leave the investitures to his 75yo Aunt when he lives round the corner and she lives 100 miles away
I just don't get it.

However, I do not want to hear 'but the children'... how long will they spin out this excuse? They have about 16 weeks off a year during the long school holidays, When it's not school hols, why doesn't William do more to support his father. And support the elderly members of the family. Both william and kate really do themselves no favours in my opinion.
My only take on it is... there is trouble afoot between father and son...

BIossomtoes · 10/08/2025 09:57

Kate’s had cancer too and has only just gone into remission.

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 09:59

Skiing is strenuous
Even endless holidays take energy

A phone call to a charity would take less effort

But no…

jumpingthehighjump · 10/08/2025 10:00

Kate announced she'd gone into remission in the middle of January.

As I understand it, Charles is not in remission.

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 10:01

Oh @blossomtoes
You mean Kate’s preventative treatment means WILLIAM cannot do anything ??

Ridiculous

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 10:03

We all know people having cancer treatment who have husbands / wives continuing to work and they do not have over 60 staff at their beck and call!

Royalists need a new PR line asap

myrtleWilson · 10/08/2025 10:04

William does do investitures

OrangeAxolotyl · 10/08/2025 10:07

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 09:31

It doesn’t need to be a referendum. Royalists often squeal at the very thought of the cost of a referendum ( while turning a blind eye to the half a billion a year currently draining away to the Windsors )

Im talking about a bit of ink added to a ballot paper to get a clearer idea of where we stand

It would even favour the right wing older royalist types as they are more likely to vote .

I have no idea what "royalists" think. Are they a hive mind? You seem to know more than me. However, I would tend to avoid ageist stereotypes.

myrtleWilson · 10/08/2025 10:11

Ah ‘preventative’ dropped in there… makes sense now

childofthe607080s · 10/08/2025 10:17

I think the monarchy should be abandoned mostly because I think it’s cruel way to bring up children with so much media focus and so much expectation

mauvaiseherbe · 10/08/2025 10:18

Why is William defying tradition by not having his own Investiture as PoW
why did Charles and Camilla, after searching for so long, give up their lovely
home in Wales, what has happened to it and why didn’t William inherit or have
a similar property in Wales?
Why are they all crammed into Adelaide Cottage and why do they all still fly
away together to Anmer Hall
bearing in mind the alleged chilling remark of Megan’s regarding the Throne

Ukisgaslit · 10/08/2025 10:24

myrtleWilson · 10/08/2025 10:04

William does do investitures

A few .
When he pleases .
Ask his aunt Anne - she’d know better than we - she’s sick of his laziness