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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel hurt that some women who cannot conceive seem to take it out on other women who get pregnant but never the men?

433 replies

joyjoyw · 08/08/2025 17:53

I struggled with infertility for years. It was painful, isolating, and at times it felt like my body was betraying me. Along the way, I made a few close friendships with other women who were going through the same. We bonded over the grief, the tests, the waiting, the hope.

But when I finally got pregnant, something I never even believed would happen, I was overjoyed, but also mindful. I didn’t make big announcements. I tried to be sensitive. But several of those women just cut me off, almost overnight. No explanation, no "I need space", just silence. It hurt deeply.

What confuses me is that their anger or pain seemed to be directed only at me, the woman who got pregnant not at my husband. As if I did something to them personally. As if my pregnancy was a betrayal. But the men? Never held to account. No one stopped talking to my husband.

I completely understand that grief and comparison can make people pull away. I know it's not always rational. I know what it feels like to watch others get what you’re desperately hoping for. But I never imagined that when it finally happened to me, I'd lose people I’d once leaned on.

AIBU to feel like there’s something deeply unfair about how women carry so much of this emotional fallout, sometimes even punishing each other while men walk away untouched?

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joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 20:00

Reportedex · 09/08/2025 19:36

You’re being really controlling pushing him in to doing this from what you’ve described. You have real issues.

How am I controlling? Who said I pushed him into it? Were you there when the conversation took place?

Didn't think so.

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joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 20:01

Blessthismess2 · 09/08/2025 19:26

what do you mean?

Cut off, ghosted, never spoken to again. Apart from one who then shared her happy news that she was finally pregnant.

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Blessthismess2 · 09/08/2025 20:04

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 20:01

Cut off, ghosted, never spoken to again. Apart from one who then shared her happy news that she was finally pregnant.

I meant- you kept saying you wanted a message from them being honest and saying they were finding things hard-

so what I asked was-

did you send them an honest message acknowledging that they might be finding things hard?

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 20:15

Blessthismess2 · 09/08/2025 19:37

But that’s the attitude you are demonstrating by your posts on this thread.

Of course it’s understandable to be hurt that you lost friends- to feel that it’s unfair. It is totally unfair. None of it is fair. Infertility isn’t fair. It’s not fair that you ended up with a baby and they didn’t. The different roles of men and women in relation to reproduction aren’t fair. Losing friends isn’t fair. It’s not fair that you lost them and your DH didn’t. Of course your feelings of hurt and sadness are valid.

But at the same time you have demonstrated no empathy or understanding for what your friends are going through. You seem to think they are simply “unkind”, have behaved badly, have sought to punish you? You seem to think that they owed you something, when the reality is that they were in so much pain they had nothing to give. You also can’t understand why they might feel differently towards you than your DH- you keep calling it a “double standard” , with no meaningful rationalisation, again inflicted as a punishment on you. But it is completely obvious to almost everyone else why it’s not the same. .

your perspectives / rationalisations demonstrates total self absorption and very little insight/ understanding/ empathy,

Like I said, one thread on MN doesn't tell you everything about me and it is foolish to make assumptions based on that.

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joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 20:19

Blessthismess2 · 09/08/2025 20:04

I meant- you kept saying you wanted a message from them being honest and saying they were finding things hard-

so what I asked was-

did you send them an honest message acknowledging that they might be finding things hard?

I followed up a few times then gave up when it was clear they were ghosting me.

Yes I did mention that they might be finding it difficult and I asked after them regarding certain personal things they had told me. No response whatsoever so I left it.

One has come back saying she is now pregnant. That is lovely news for her.

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InWalksBarberalla · 09/08/2025 23:01

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 14:47

I’m not saying it never happens to men. I’m sure sometimes their friendships take a hit too. I’m just talking about what I’ve actually seen.

I’m not claiming it’s the same everywhere, but in my circle it’s been really one-sided and that’s what I’m talking about.

Why do you you keep talking in universal terms if you aren't claiming it's the same everywhere. This -below- is what you wrote in your very next post - did you mean to write- 'in our case the survival mode only extended to women'.? Because by your phrasing you are claiming it only ever extends to women.

Survival is fine and I don't have an issue with it. But cutting someone off out of the blue is rather unpleasant. The survival mode only extends to women not men even when the baby is with a man.

Pinky1256 · 10/08/2025 06:17

You're very unreasonable wondering why they stopped contact with you.

Looking at you pregnant was bad for their mental health, a reminder of what they don't have and are not sure if they will ever have.

Give them space for now, let go off the friendships at least temporary. If you were a real friend you should have more empathy towards them knowing that seeing you is a painful reminder of their situation.

When I was going through infertility, I cut off completely my best friend who had a baby naturally conceived on the second try at over 40 years old when I started trying much younger. She was very gracious and didn't push or force the friendship. A couple of years later, I finally had my miracle baby and she actually reached out to me and have slowly recovered our friendship. We were friends for over 12 years but I had to chose my mental health over the friendship and she was mature enough to understand and even take me back as a friend despite what I did. I did apologise after we met again with both our babies.

However, I never felt jealous of a pregnant woman who struggled with losses or infertility to get there as you did. In those cases I was ok because I knew of the struggles they went through, buy everyone is different and cope differently.

I'd reach out once they have babies, you don't have to be best friends right away, but slowly recover the friendship. It was never personal, it's more situational because you are the actual person growing a bump, not your husband.

Move on, count your blessings and hopefully you can recover the friendship later on.

thisistoofunny · 10/08/2025 06:18

You're nuts. Leave these women alone.

Tinnybinnylinny · 10/08/2025 06:36

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 20:19

I followed up a few times then gave up when it was clear they were ghosting me.

Yes I did mention that they might be finding it difficult and I asked after them regarding certain personal things they had told me. No response whatsoever so I left it.

One has come back saying she is now pregnant. That is lovely news for her.

OP - I am on the other side of this, as in I never had the baby. Some friends that knew about the issues have been positively bizarre with me such as not including me in BBQ invites/ first birthday events. I have reached out and offer to do things with them and their kids, response: I will get back to you on that.

Had I been friends with you, it wouldn’t have bothered me that you were now a mum and I am not, but I think that is because I can rationalise that what happens in your life doesn’t affect the outcome of mine and it’s a long life of being bitter and twisted.

its just women: are on the whole grudge bearing; jealous; frenemies; fake friends….its actually one of the things that if I think about makes me pretty sad.

I agree - a quick text ‘this is hard for me right now’, albeit I did that and got accused of being unhinged (I had lost a baby the same day another person had one and couldn’t at that particular point in time cope with the pics of baby pics - think I am in the hospital just having a D&E and the pics come in kind of thing).

Thankfully that phase of my life is over, I say chose your friends wisely and be grateful they have shown you who they are.

Me - while I have moved on, I am very conscious that people have shown me who they are, it’s noted, while I am not going to hold a grudge I chose my inner circle more carefully now.

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 08:11

thisistoofunny · 10/08/2025 06:18

You're nuts. Leave these women alone.

They are being left alone. The one who chose to come back happy to share the news of her pregnancy is also being left alone. I hear now the other women in the group have also cut her off. Good luck to all of them.

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Grow123 · 10/08/2025 08:13

steff13 · 09/08/2025 18:51

Yeah, it was originally framed as they were all hanging out together and excluding her, but now it sounds more like her husband was going to watch the game with his friend and the wife just happened to be there because it was her house.

Hanging out with the husband is fair enough. But I still think it is kinda unfair that wife is totally fine with op's husband coming over to their house and her being all.ncie and friendly, when she has just cut out op. Or that husbands have organised a day out together for a sports thing and she just comes along as if nothing has happened.

As mentioned, I do understand that pregnant woman is triggering in a different way than a man. Husbands (with each other and with op) can have their individual friendship. But i do think it is understandable that op is hurt that these people have cut op out but still happily and voluntarily spends time with her husband. It would be totally different if husbands just went together. Politely saying hello is one thing, but sitting down and having a chat or even spending an event together (that was initially agreed by just the husbands) when you've cut of their wife is another. These women could do some self reflection now that the dust has settled from the pregnancy news.

But op, these were not true friends. Your husband is doing the right thing for leaving the group. Would have been nice if he (and you) could have still spend time together with those who didnt cut you off, but if their partners are being like this, can't blame you for needing to cut them out in return.

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 10:03

Tinnybinnylinny · 10/08/2025 06:36

OP - I am on the other side of this, as in I never had the baby. Some friends that knew about the issues have been positively bizarre with me such as not including me in BBQ invites/ first birthday events. I have reached out and offer to do things with them and their kids, response: I will get back to you on that.

Had I been friends with you, it wouldn’t have bothered me that you were now a mum and I am not, but I think that is because I can rationalise that what happens in your life doesn’t affect the outcome of mine and it’s a long life of being bitter and twisted.

its just women: are on the whole grudge bearing; jealous; frenemies; fake friends….its actually one of the things that if I think about makes me pretty sad.

I agree - a quick text ‘this is hard for me right now’, albeit I did that and got accused of being unhinged (I had lost a baby the same day another person had one and couldn’t at that particular point in time cope with the pics of baby pics - think I am in the hospital just having a D&E and the pics come in kind of thing).

Thankfully that phase of my life is over, I say chose your friends wisely and be grateful they have shown you who they are.

Me - while I have moved on, I am very conscious that people have shown me who they are, it’s noted, while I am not going to hold a grudge I chose my inner circle more carefully now.

Edited

be grateful they have shown you who they are.

who they are???
Who they are is people in a lot of pain.

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:31

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 10:03

be grateful they have shown you who they are.

who they are???
Who they are is people in a lot of pain.

It might not always be pain though. Sometimes it’s jealousy, sometimes resentment, sometimes just not wanting to see someone else move on. Only they know which it is.

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SophieJo · 10/08/2025 10:39

Wishimaywishimight · 08/08/2025 20:06

You come across as being very lacking in empathy and utterly determined that these women, who are suffering a pain that you are not any longer, are punishing you. They are not, they are protectng themselves. You don't like how they have gone about it but you could try and see things from their point of view.

I don't know you posted in AIBU as you are quite certain you are not.

I totally agree with this comment. You really are very persistent in being completely unreasonable.

KimberleyClark · 10/08/2025 10:42

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:31

It might not always be pain though. Sometimes it’s jealousy, sometimes resentment, sometimes just not wanting to see someone else move on. Only they know which it is.

You've known the pain of infertility. I can't believe you could say something like this.

Dodeedoo · 10/08/2025 10:50

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 16:27

I was just agreeing with what another poster said. Several posters have commented it is unpleasant to cut someone off without warning. I know the pain of infertility. It does not get wiped out just because a baby finally comes. I also lost a baby too.

No it doesn’t get wiped away. Does it not make it easier though?

Reportedex · 10/08/2025 10:50

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:31

It might not always be pain though. Sometimes it’s jealousy, sometimes resentment, sometimes just not wanting to see someone else move on. Only they know which it is.

I can’t believe you actually typed that. Wow.

Dodeedoo · 10/08/2025 10:51

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:31

It might not always be pain though. Sometimes it’s jealousy, sometimes resentment, sometimes just not wanting to see someone else move on. Only they know which it is.

I actually understood your point until you posted this

MaturingCheeseball · 10/08/2025 10:52

I think I’ve rarely seen an OP so unreasonable! Actually more than unreasonable - straight down the line unkind.

It’s utterly self-centred and boorish not to appreciate others’ (very painful) feelings about infertility if you have been there yourself.

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:58

KimberleyClark · 10/08/2025 10:42

You've known the pain of infertility. I can't believe you could say something like this.

It is unrealistic to say it could only ever be pain and nothing else. Sometimes there’s jealousy or resentment mixed in too. That doesn't mean the pain isn’t real, it means feelings are complicated and not always one thing.

Humans are complex creatures!

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Reportedex · 10/08/2025 11:03

Why did you ask AIBU when you’re not prepared to hear you might be?

KimberleyClark · 10/08/2025 11:08

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:58

It is unrealistic to say it could only ever be pain and nothing else. Sometimes there’s jealousy or resentment mixed in too. That doesn't mean the pain isn’t real, it means feelings are complicated and not always one thing.

Humans are complex creatures!

But any jealousy or resentment is a result of the pain. They would not be feeling these things if they werent feeling the pain of infertility.

applegingermint · 10/08/2025 11:10

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 10:58

It is unrealistic to say it could only ever be pain and nothing else. Sometimes there’s jealousy or resentment mixed in too. That doesn't mean the pain isn’t real, it means feelings are complicated and not always one thing.

Humans are complex creatures!

Can you please stop using Chat GPT to write your responses. It’s obvious from a mile away.

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 11:12

KimberleyClark · 10/08/2025 11:08

But any jealousy or resentment is a result of the pain. They would not be feeling these things if they werent feeling the pain of infertility.

But they are still feeling those feelings right? There is still jealousy and resentment even if it is because of the pain.

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joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 11:16

Here is someone admitting jealousy so it is not uncommon:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5324584-to-be-struggling-with-new-niece

MN is full of these kinds of threads which proves it is not just pain that women feel but a range of emotions that can include jealousy, bitterness and resentment.

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