Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

[Holmints]

I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

Has she lost weight?

The reference to pregnancy is... a tangent, isn't it? It's not supposed to be taken in pregnancy, but also there are loads and loads of drugs that people take - including over the counter ones - where there is no proof it's safe in pregnancy, or indeed where it is known it's not, and no one ever suggests that this is a reason that non-pregnant patients shouldn't take them. As you note, thalidomide is in fact still used, just never in pregnancy.

But it's still not making a healthy choice is it and I'm sure you are supposed to rethink your way of eating otherwise you come off and put the weight back on.
Also, it's not just about cals, it's about nutrition too.

GLP1s have been used for diabetics for 20 years. Could something develop in another 20 years ( so 40 years after the person started)?
maybe
but highly unlikely

No idea without research. I’ve lost 10 stone and kept it off for over a decade now after counselling. What’s the stats for people keeping the weight loss off for over a decade using Mounjaro? Losing the weight (even significant amounts) is easy- I’ve met plenty of others who had done it with various diets. It’s keeping the weight off for more than a few years that’s a problem. I’d love to lose the final couple of stone- but I don’t want to risk yo- yoing and becoming obese again when I’ve kept that weight off this long.

But Terzepatide (the main subject of this tread) been around, in regular usage, for 20 years. Many many drugs are not routinely tested during pregnancy. And we already know the long term effects of obesity and drinking too much alcohol.

You are allowed to eat a burger and chips. It wouldn't be my choice to work into my daily calories but I do factor in the odd treat, especially if I'm eating out.

Stop monitoring and judging your friends.

So you think someone trying to lose weight should never have a treat?
I don’t go out for meals often. When I do, I have whatever I want to eat. Overall, my diet is still balanced and I make healthy choices the rest of the time. One meal doesn’t change that.

Tell us you’re a jealous slim person, threatened by fatties losing weight without telling us you’re a jealous slim person threatened by fatties losing weight…

God these threads always follow the same old lines. Always about shaming and judging and people wanting to feel superior. Lose weight but not like that, love your body but not like that, have a balanced diet but not like that.

I didn’t hate my body. It was fine and I was quite happy and didn’t think about my weight that much. Then I got cancer and needed a limb amputation. And that means if I wanted to walk again I needed to shift some of the weight so I did. But I don’t love myself any more or less before or after. It was just medically necessary,

Your poor friend.

No, it’s about making sustainable changes. It’s perfectly fine to go out for dinner and have whatever the bloody hell you want, if you’ve allocated the calories. Depriving one’s self of any food they find delicious, forever, isn’t going to work. Still, at least you and your other friends were able to feel superior, eating your salads. That must have cheered you up.

I'm not sure it does, for some. The slimness, at least. My best mate has always been slim (known her since we were teens, now mid-40s) and says she doesn't really get hungry. She doesn't think about food other than the practicalities of needing to feed herself for energy to do things. She's only just recently started exercising regularly - running - because she says it's a nice break from the kids 😂She's just not really interested in food. I think a lot of slim people are like that, to greater or lesser extent.

With friends like those, who needs enemies eh?

No, of course they wouldn't lecture diabetics about the possible dangers of taking Mounjaro just for their diabetes (and there can certainly be negative/dangerous side effects doing that).

No, they would (sensibly) assume that overall, the benefits of the diabetic taking Mounjaro hugely outweighed any negative side effects. After all, Mounjaro has been thoroughly and extensively researched, and successfully trialled over decades, right? And it has massively improved the health and well being of millions of diabetics, yes?

But the second it's discovered that the very same thoroughly researched, tried & tested, life saving, life enhancing Mounjaro can also <whispers> help you lose weight........then suddenly it's a risky, probably dangerous, filthy drug, that people 'are pumping into themselves'.

Hilarious.

I was, up until about 8 months ago, obese. I loved my body. I didn't go round shouting "I love my body" because I'm not a social media influencer and normal people don't really do that.

But I did love it, it enabled me to go out and do the things I loved, it felt good when DP touched it, I wasn't upset by how it looked, in fact I thought I was fairly attractive, and so did DP (I was fat when I met her, so it can't have been that much of a turn off.)

But just because I didn't hate my body, didn't mean I didn't know it was unhealthy for me to be that weight. Had there been a magic wand to instantly make me a healthy weight, I'd have weighed it in an instant, because while I loved my body, I also love not being dead. Apparently not enough to do anything about it though

Just before Christmas, I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Not prediabetes, proper full blown you are making permanent unreversible changes to yourself diabetes. So I promptly made massive lifestyle changes, stopped eating crap, and lost 50lb. I'm now a healthy weight, my blood sugar is in the normal range, and if I can keep it that way for the next year then I'll officially be in remission.

I still love my body, no more or less than I did before. Aside from the little black spot in my vision that's going to be there for the rest of my life, that bits a little fucker.

But I don't look back at photos of myself from last year and hate my body from back then. I hate my laziness a little bit, my willingness to eat crap for years and years with little thought to the consequences. I hate my mind a little bit, but my body, I've always loved it.

Not only are you told to not use WLI if you are, or are trying to get, pregnant you're also warned about the effects WLI have on oral contraceptives.
Comparing WLI to thalidomide is nothing but goady nonsense though. It's because of the damage thalidomide did that the warnings are so strong for newish medications.

I lost 7 stone a few years ago, entirely “naturally”. I developed an eating disorder. I wouldn’t allow myself to eat anything that I couldn’t strictly and confidently calculate the calories for. As such, I didn’t ever eat outside the house unless I’d brought the food with me. I had no treats, no breaks and no let up for 11 very long month, even over Xmas and my birthday. I also ran every day, multiple times a day. I put all the weight and more back on.

Since being on WLI, I eat when I’m hungry, I eat healthy balanced meals through choice (as other foods that I previously enjoyed no longer taste nice to me). I walk every day, but don’t have to spend hours running myself to exhaustion to get the same result. And when I go out to eat with friends on the odd occasion now, I can choose what I’d like to eat because my diet is perfection (in my eyes) the rest of the time, without any guilt or punishment. This is by a long way, far more sustainable for me.

it’s not as simple as looking at someone with a burger and judging it at face value (nor is it your place to do so, but that’s a separate issue).

I've learned a harsh lesson that online is not real life

One body positive fashion influencer I followed was wearing clothes that were too small for her and seemed a mess. Now shes had wls and is quietly influencing 😭

I remember being surprised at the nasty treatment of me being fat, thinking 'how are these influencers doing it'. The truth was, they'd go out early in the morning and film their videos so that, imo, they wouldnt be publicly shamed

So sad really that people will say anything for a following and a the sponsorship deals

Lose the weight if you can girls, and watch your life improve 💕

I don’t think anyone loved being fat but for some people, probably loved the reprieve from excessively checking all calories and food.

Self-acceptance is the defence against being vilified for being fat. Look how happy and confident I am, I don't care what you think!

But underneath, speaking for myself, I long to be slim and accepted at a superficial level by society (with the added benefit to my health). I'm embarrassed and ashamed that my family have seen me get heavier and heavier in a very stressful job.

If I were brave enough to try WLI without the risk of sulphur burps, diarrhoea and vomiting, I totally would. But I'm not brave at all, so I am calorie counting without medical assistance (and telling my brain I'm on the injections). 😂

I'm menopausal so it's sloooowwww.

I’ve been both (currently overweight) and no way would I choose overweight over being slim, if I could click my fingers to be one or the other.

I think it is a defence mechanism, although I have heard about people getting slim then feeling unhappier than when fat, but that might be more rooted in the eating disciplines required rather than the visuals.

I hated it and was in denial. I am much happier and healthier now. Would recommend them to anyone.

I remember it mostly being about UPF and how it's everywhere and addictive so it's hard not to eat more than we should. Which is what I said.

I tried to do very low upf eating but found that I'm able to overeat on anything so went back to calorie counting!