300 children from Gaza to be brought to the UK for free specialist NHS care

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According to the Sunday Times. That's nearly as many beds as there are in Great Ormond Street, where the average waiting time for paediatric surgery is 15 weeks (which is fairly typical nationwide).

Why is it mysteriously possible for government to deliver these showy, headline-grabbing measures (I know we already knew it could happen from COVID policy) but not to just make systems work well in an ordinary way?

Most people have no idea the scale of what Israel has done to Gaza. Estimates put the amount of explosives dropped on Gaza as equivalent to at least five Hiroshima nuclear bombs. Look at drone footage on YouTube and that seems about right.

Good.
Maybe Israel could contribute to their care costs.

OK, so that is one NHS area and one case, and it's a commissioning issue. Please provide evidence that the change in what is and is not commissioned for this Trust happened under Labour - because commissioned services change all the time.

I'm not saying this is correct, but commissioning is complex, and a lot of the time Trusts don't get much of a say in what they provide - it is dependent on what the local ICB is prepared to fund. As always, the situation is far less black and white than posters with certain agendas would have us believe.

Good point yes, but the issue we have with getting involved in all these other countries problems is that we don't 'supposedly' have the resources to look after our own, we have so many people homeless or in temporary accommodation, yet we let more and more people into the country who don't have the means to house themselves, adding to the problem. We have waiting lists and backlogs in the NHS, people cannot get dental treatment, again you allow more people to come and have access to these services. We have a huge welfare bill, more people come, more people claim.
What happens when everything crumbles, who helps us out? These countries would not do the same for us...I agree we should help children who need it through no fault of their own, if we can, but we cannot be a saviour for anybody to come and get a better life whilst not contributing.

Did you read the article or just the headline it was hardly life saving care, the boy was "struggling to hold the pen well enough to write properly”, and it was because the particular OT service (not hospital)did not cover independent schools in that particular area. The mother quite clearly had an agenda.

Expect it will, spending money and fixing the NHS would likely gain many votes considering how unhappy people are with it and how it needs improving and has been getting better this past year. Waiting lists down, more appointments provided, a plan to improve it and improve technology. But at the same time, helping these helpless people is important. Hopefully investment in the NHS will continue and get better but it seems that spending money on public services like schools or hospitals isn't okay if we have to tax assests for it.

It’s horrible. Really horrible. Well done to you and other posters who have shown some humanity.

Nope. Doesn’t poll well when you point out it will have to be paid for.

Because we are the 6th richest country in the world so the aid agencies that are paying for the gazan children are not going to pay for British children, they would rightly say get your shit together UK and look after your children, you are right to question why so many UK kids are living in poverty and malnourished so much so you think they should get international aid alongside children being bombed and starved

Sorry I can’t find the data. Perhaps I’m being stupid. Could you please post a link that provides evidence to show which Arab countries have taken in Palestinian refugees, and how many?

It is awful that innocent people are being killed, of course it it. But when those terrorists attacked that festival in Israel, that meant war on Israel, who are far more powerful. I would not wave a baseball bat at somebody holding a gun, if that makes sense. Israel are at war, they are doing what they have the power to do to win, that's what war is?

It's outside NHS treatment and has absolutely no relation to the medical care children living in the UK could need - your argument is like me saying 'why do I only get a free hearing aid after six months' wait for an appointment and two for an MRI to establish I don't have something horrible going on inside my head causing the tinnitus and hearing loss when somebody who has private medical insurance or is self funding can get surgery for chronic closed angle glaucoma in the same hospital by teatime?'. They're completely different disciplines. They're completely different funding. They're completely different levels of urgency.

The poster asked for ‘proof’ of the case I’d described. I provided an article that describes the case.

It's literally in the article linked by OP! Are you saying that you are willing to believe OP's dubious contentions about how bad this is, but when it comes to information from the article she quoted in her OP, you require more evidence? Because that would be a double standard the size of Manchester.

I don’t have a share token. I don’t subscribe to the Times. But it has been quoted upthread.

Yes that what I agree with sorry, people are unwilling to provide the funding, edited my post to make it make sense.

There seems to be rather contentious.

And it definitely shows that the increase in capacity would have been perfectly achievable beforehand.

I think there can be multiple truths..

• it is true that children are suffering unimaginably in Gaza and if we can help ease their suffering we should.
• it can also be true that the NHS is under strain and needs support, reform and investment. Paediatrics is often in a better state than adult services with some particular services that are extremely strained (eg camhs).

Imagine if they were your children.

Never mentioned Africa or Afghanistan, we are talking about Palestine/hamas

Occupational Health and Speech & Language therapists employed by the council only attend state schools because they are run by the local authority.
They will attend private schools where the child has an EHCP and the place is paid for by the council.

A single case is not policy for the entire NHS... I do hope you know this, and I do wonder why you did not provide any caveats.

https://news.sky.com/story/gazan-boy-15-given-heros-welcome-as-he-arrives-in-uk-for-urgent-medical-treatment-13404742

Majd is the third child to come to the UK with the help of the charity Project Pure Hope.

The group of volunteers have been campaigning successive governments for the last 20 months to create a scheme which would allow for the evacuation of 30 to 50 children.

The charity has raised the money to bring the children and their families to the UK, and cover their medical costs, privately.

“Relative peace” well yes that is an apt term compared to having the equivalent of five Hiroshima’s dropped on them, but that “relative peace” was still denying Palestinians their autonomy and dignity, and seeing a slow but steady theft of their land and homes. Regardless, what happened to Israel on October 7th doesn’t justify Israel to commit genocide and starve the civilian population.

No it doesn’t. Healthcare professionals are volunteering. That means working for nothing.