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300 children from Gaza to be brought to the UK for free specialist NHS care

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Fragmentedbrain · 03/08/2025 01:33

According to the Sunday Times. That's nearly as many beds as there are in Great Ormond Street, where the average waiting time for paediatric surgery is 15 weeks (which is fairly typical nationwide).

Why is it mysteriously possible for government to deliver these showy, headline-grabbing measures (I know we already knew it could happen from COVID policy) but not to just make systems work well in an ordinary way?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 03/08/2025 23:32

ConscientiousObserver · 03/08/2025 23:13

Do you not think Palestinians are radicalised by Hamas then?

Maybe take a look at the celebratory videos of 22 year old Shani Louk’s naked, broken dead body being paraded around Gaza in the back of a truck while she is held up by her hair, being spat on and hit with sticks by civilians.

Also the Bibas family’s bodies being brought out of Gaza after Kfir aged 9 months, Ariel aged 4 and their mother Sheri aged 34, were kidnapped from their home and murdered and mutilated in captivity, while civilians celebrated with their children to upbeat music.

Also the hostage survivors accounts of being held in civilian houses.

Also the civilians who took part in Oct 7th,

Are you sure?

Many, if not all, Gazans are radicalised into Hamas’ extremist ideology from birth.

That is what you said @ConscientiousObserver. Palestinian babies are babies, the same as our babies. The same as any babies. They existed long before Hamas were a thing. They'll exist long into the future.

Palestinian babies, Palestinian sick or disabled children deserve help.

Its sick that you see needy, dying children and think radicalised from birth.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 03/08/2025 23:32

Fragmentedbrain · 03/08/2025 12:57

Agree. I'm not arguing against the Gazan children being treated. I'm arguing that this shows that we could be treating hundreds of extra children and hitherto we've just not arsed ourselves.

They're getting private treatment. NOT NHS funded FFS.

If they didn't come, it would make zero different to UK waiting lists. Because it's privately funded. It's pretty simple logic.

Anyahyacinth · 03/08/2025 23:33

LittlePigRobinson · 03/08/2025 21:34

Don't be ridiculous. I have humanity for people in need but I choose to put my own children ahead of other people in need as I imagine most parents would.

Nope ...all the people we revere from the past and present helped others ..they sheltered Jews from the nazis, they protected children in the blitz by evacuation etc etc. Your world view is appalling, I guess you don't claim child benefit or any other thing because other people are paying to help you? No NHS either because other people are funding you via their taxes, no pension, you are entirely self reliant? Good on you 🤦‍♀️

PersephoneSeethes · 03/08/2025 23:33

Thegreyhound · 03/08/2025 23:25

You are singling out ‘Arab’ nations. Why?

Because the research shows that intra-continental migration, and these children and their carer will become migrants, is more successful than extra-continental. Especially for already highly traumatised people.

The culture shock and language barriers aren’t so great. It’s not racist, it’s actually common sense.

EsmaCannonball · 03/08/2025 23:34

I have read stories (not in the antisemitic British press) about Israel transporting hundreds of sick children from Gaza into, IIRC, Jordan and Qatar and the UAE for treatment. There go those Israelis being terrible at genocide again. Of course, they have provided medical treatment to Palestinians for years, even facilitating it when no Jewish person dared set foot in Gaza.

There are also stories of desperate Syrian mothers bringing their sick or disabled children to Israeli border posts and the Israelis taking these children to their hospitals for treatment. It just goes to show that, despite being taught to hate and fear Israelis, at some visceral level the people in the region know they won't behave like some of the Middle East's more despotic regimes.

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:34

Slightyamusedandsilly · 03/08/2025 23:32

They're getting private treatment. NOT NHS funded FFS.

If they didn't come, it would make zero different to UK waiting lists. Because it's privately funded. It's pretty simple logic.

again. 1000th time.

It is NHS funded by government treatment. Private treatments happen in parallel.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 03/08/2025 23:35

Anyahyacinth · 03/08/2025 23:22

Me too

Me also.

User3256 · 03/08/2025 23:37

@Fragmentedbrain I get what you are saying - great to see these children being treated but if the NHS can release funding for this, why not local children TOO?

If you were to spend the money to treat British children with this speed, resources etc, you’d be choosing to do it permanently, it would be the new way going forward. You can’t just say ‘we’ll increase funding for the 300 British children top of the queue and then who cares about the next 300.’ That’s a LOT more money.

Goverment spending decisions have multiple benefits to consider (not just the improvement of the thing you want to improve) e.g. political scoring, genuinely caring about treating these innocent victims of war, giving doctors war wound experience etc., and the government has probably decided this one-off has more bang for their buck than cutting cutting cutting much more as would be needed to go full bells and whistles as standard NHS children’s care going forward.

Now would I like to know where money has been found from to fund these treatments so I can make my own assessment of the benefits of this scheme vs whatever was cut? I suppose I would, much like anything else the government does, but undoubtably this is so much cheaper spend-wise than permanent improvement to the NHS in our current poor economic situation, so I’m not too worked up that I won’t find out. However, if it turns out the money spent would have covered 10 years of GOSH care for all British children at lightening speed then my ears would perk up.

Until we get a handle on the cost of our debt which is the massive problem, a humanitarian one-off spend with multiple benefits doesn’t seem that much to get annoyed about for me (those poor children, it’s so sad). I say that as someone who very much thinks that the tax payer, the citizen, the person who for 40 hours a week shovels shit and gives a portion of their hard-earned to the government and trusts the government to spend it on their, the citizen’s, behalf, has every right to care when they spend it on non-citizens, and I think it’s normal to want to scrutinise expenditure more closely when the portion we’re allowed to keep doesn’t stretch as far, but the middle classes often don’t understand that because they aren’t on the REAL breadline, so they just assume you’re an ‘-ist’ or ‘-phobe’ of some type.

For all I know, you might have hate in your heart for people of other races or nationalities or creeds, but you certainly haven’t written anything like that so I hope if you’re a good egg the brutal comments haven’t been too rough. The milk of human kindness is in short supply in public discourse the past decade.

ConscientiousObserver · 03/08/2025 23:39

Thegreyhound · 03/08/2025 23:15

Dear both of you- all Palestinians, children and adults alike, should have been able to continue living in Palestine. Palestine. Not Egypt, not here, in their own state- Palestine.

Absolutely.

Their terrorist government with a long history of terrorist attacks against Israel, should never have been voted in when Palestinians in Gaza had autonomy and elected them, and then shouldn’t have started a war deliberately committing horrific atrocities to start it, using their own civilians as human sacrifices. If they hadn’t there would not have been a war now would there?

Do you believe civilians in all wars should be denied safe refuge outside of a war zone, especially when their own government is doing the complete opposite of protecting them, or just Palestinians?

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:39

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:16

I do wholeheartedly agree that these children and their families must not be allowed to stay in the UK after they received their treatment.

They absolutely should be given treatment, but I'd feel much happier if the same amount of taxpayers funding which is going to be spend on them here would be spent to treat them elsewhere outside of the UK. With all my respect to GOSH and other NHS hospitals I don't believe they are so unique. I'd rather send this money (the taxes I pay) to get them treated closer to their homes.

I’m totally on board with the UK paying to build hospitals in Gaza, bit surprised that you are though

Anyahyacinth · 03/08/2025 23:41

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 22:35

If they can be helped they should. I don't believe that 300 kids will make any difference to NHS at all.

What I categorically don't want to happen is for them to stay here after treatment. With their families. And open the door for more to come on family grounds.

I do not want radicalised Gazans with cultural values completely opposite to British ones to settle in the UK. Which they most certainly will.

🤦‍♀️🤣 100% literacy, a country known as "the university" and you feel they are incompatible to settle...embarrassed for you

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:41

Slightyamusedandsilly · 03/08/2025 23:32

They're getting private treatment. NOT NHS funded FFS.

If they didn't come, it would make zero different to UK waiting lists. Because it's privately funded. It's pretty simple logic.

I think the NHS is funding some. Which I’m absolutely fine with. It’s fuck all, it’s a non story it doesn’t even matter if the NHS is funding it, we don’t need to defend it on that basis. We can defend it as the right thing to do and a drop in the ocean

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:44

@Inchworms

Where did I say this? it's quite a departure from flying and treating 300 children to building hospitals in Gaza, I never said I agreed to it.
In context of recent thread about who should be charged to use NHS it's curios to see a suggestion about UK building hospitals in Gaza.

I'd rather see Hamas releasing all billions of humanitarian aid they received.

Or maybe just releasing hostages and starting negotiation?

ConscientiousObserver · 03/08/2025 23:46

TooBigForMyBoots · 03/08/2025 23:32

Many, if not all, Gazans are radicalised into Hamas’ extremist ideology from birth.

That is what you said @ConscientiousObserver. Palestinian babies are babies, the same as our babies. The same as any babies. They existed long before Hamas were a thing. They'll exist long into the future.

Palestinian babies, Palestinian sick or disabled children deserve help.

Its sick that you see needy, dying children and think radicalised from birth.

You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills or is it deliberate hyperbole?

Nowhere did I say sick Palestinian babies and children do not deserve help.

The only sick thing I can see is you continuing to misrepresent what I said to twist it to your own agenda.

DuncinToffee · 03/08/2025 23:48

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:44

@Inchworms

Where did I say this? it's quite a departure from flying and treating 300 children to building hospitals in Gaza, I never said I agreed to it.
In context of recent thread about who should be charged to use NHS it's curios to see a suggestion about UK building hospitals in Gaza.

I'd rather see Hamas releasing all billions of humanitarian aid they received.

Or maybe just releasing hostages and starting negotiation?

The UK can demand this whilst treating a small number of children

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:48

Anyahyacinth · 03/08/2025 23:41

🤦‍♀️🤣 100% literacy, a country known as "the university" and you feel they are incompatible to settle...embarrassed for you

Yep, sure. Country where children taught to hate and to kill

Parliamentary question | EU-funded report on Palestinian textbooks: concerns over incitement, anti-Semitic content and imagery – the EU’s position and response | E-005567/2020 | European Parliament

UN Teachers Call To Murder Jews, Reveals New Report - UN Watch

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:50

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:44

@Inchworms

Where did I say this? it's quite a departure from flying and treating 300 children to building hospitals in Gaza, I never said I agreed to it.
In context of recent thread about who should be charged to use NHS it's curios to see a suggestion about UK building hospitals in Gaza.

I'd rather see Hamas releasing all billions of humanitarian aid they received.

Or maybe just releasing hostages and starting negotiation?

Well you wanted to send money to treat them closer to home and there’s nowhere closer. Makes sense really.

not interested in your Hamas whatabout nonsense, this is a thread about sick kids

Newstove · 03/08/2025 23:53

Did anyone see the 3 last posts by the OP which were deleted by MN moderators?

How bat shit did she go? Was she setting a date for the protest at Great Ormond Street hospital?

Did someone tell her that it would be a bit hard to send the kids back to an active war zone, so they can expect to get humanitarian right to remain in the UK. With their mums!

That's 600 people added to the UK population of 70 million, that's just not sustainable. UK can't possibly be expected to cope with that.

PersephoneSeethes · 03/08/2025 23:55

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:50

Well you wanted to send money to treat them closer to home and there’s nowhere closer. Makes sense really.

not interested in your Hamas whatabout nonsense, this is a thread about sick kids

Typical! As soon as there is any commentary that is critical of Hamas, the uncritical Palestinian supporters aren’t interested in discussion and call it nonsense.

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:55

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:50

Well you wanted to send money to treat them closer to home and there’s nowhere closer. Makes sense really.

not interested in your Hamas whatabout nonsense, this is a thread about sick kids

Egypt? Turkey? any ME country with outstanding medical facilities? maybe pay them to treat these 300?

You can't respond to my comments about Hamas so it's convenient for you to call it nonsense.

Again, I don't disagree with treating these children. I do disagree with them staying here after treatment. The moment someone can show me at least a single reason to believe they won't stay in the UK I'm fine.

TooBigForMyBoots · 03/08/2025 23:56

ConscientiousObserver · 03/08/2025 23:46

You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills or is it deliberate hyperbole?

Nowhere did I say sick Palestinian babies and children do not deserve help.

The only sick thing I can see is you continuing to misrepresent what I said to twist it to your own agenda.

You said Many, if not all, Gazans are radicalised into Hamas’ extremist ideology from birth.

Your othering of babies, BABIES, from birthShock is really disturbing.

Anyahyacinth · 03/08/2025 23:56

EsmaCannonball · 03/08/2025 23:34

I have read stories (not in the antisemitic British press) about Israel transporting hundreds of sick children from Gaza into, IIRC, Jordan and Qatar and the UAE for treatment. There go those Israelis being terrible at genocide again. Of course, they have provided medical treatment to Palestinians for years, even facilitating it when no Jewish person dared set foot in Gaza.

There are also stories of desperate Syrian mothers bringing their sick or disabled children to Israeli border posts and the Israelis taking these children to their hospitals for treatment. It just goes to show that, despite being taught to hate and fear Israelis, at some visceral level the people in the region know they won't behave like some of the Middle East's more despotic regimes.

🤣😔 and the ones that died waiting? That was just an admin delay? Why are the children sustaining sniper, bomb blast injuries...some alien army? Oh yes Israel is the one creating the largest group of child amputees. The occupier is required to provide health services ...none of what you describe is altruism or honourable

PersephoneSeethes · 03/08/2025 23:58

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:41

I think the NHS is funding some. Which I’m absolutely fine with. It’s fuck all, it’s a non story it doesn’t even matter if the NHS is funding it, we don’t need to defend it on that basis. We can defend it as the right thing to do and a drop in the ocean

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Here’s the nhs email for foreign nationals receiving medical treatment so you can directly contribute, [email protected].

Inchworms · 03/08/2025 23:58

PersephoneSeethes · 03/08/2025 23:55

Typical! As soon as there is any commentary that is critical of Hamas, the uncritical Palestinian supporters aren’t interested in discussion and call it nonsense.

Well done, you’ve understood. This is a thread about sick kids. Unless you think sick kids are also Hamas which tbf you prob do

DuncinToffee · 03/08/2025 23:59

nearlylovemyusername · 03/08/2025 23:55

Egypt? Turkey? any ME country with outstanding medical facilities? maybe pay them to treat these 300?

You can't respond to my comments about Hamas so it's convenient for you to call it nonsense.

Again, I don't disagree with treating these children. I do disagree with them staying here after treatment. The moment someone can show me at least a single reason to believe they won't stay in the UK I'm fine.

Because they still have family in Gaza and it is their home?

It's up to 300 children with a parent or guardian and maybe some siblings. It is a very small number.

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