300 children from Gaza to be brought to the UK for free specialist NHS care

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According to the Sunday Times. That's nearly as many beds as there are in Great Ormond Street, where the average waiting time for paediatric surgery is 15 weeks (which is fairly typical nationwide).

Why is it mysteriously possible for government to deliver these showy, headline-grabbing measures (I know we already knew it could happen from COVID policy) but not to just make systems work well in an ordinary way?

Sadly when people feel their own situation is lacking (in the UK) it tends to make them turn against vulnerable individuals who need help. All things being equal who would begrudge care to suffering children

Sorry I was actually repeating what someone else had said. There's this and maybe the poster who quoted 5000 will add their link.

"I don’t really want to share a country with people who would vote reform because a few desperate children got help (not even at our expense)."

And there in lies the problem, so many people are so intolerant of other peoples opinions. This isn't how this country became successful, haven't we learnt anything from our long history?

This really saddens me.

The 5,000 figure is mentioned here.

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/meet-the-only-two-children-from-gaza-allowed-into-uk-for-medical-treatment

Since the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas ignited by the attacks on 7 October 2023, more than 7,000 patients have been evacuated from Gaza, of which 5,000 are children, according to figures from the Gaza Health Ministry. Most have gone to Egypt, the UAE or Qatar. Some EU countries including Spain, Italy, Ireland, Norway and Romania have taken in 197 children, and are expected to take more. The UK has taken two: Rama and Ghena.

Turkey keep them in designated areas. Turkey is also being paid huge amounts by EU to keep those people out of EU. They don't do it out of goodness of their heart.

Charities are funding it. It won’t affect the NHS waiting lists.

That's beside the point they still do it, maybe if we stayed in the EU we could have benefited from thos agreement and then everyone who doesn't want immigrants would be happy. But I wonder why they voted fro Brexit...

Plus that's an extreme example, there are many countries who take more refugees than us across the world, nobody saying we need to take them all just do our fair share out of humanity and kindness. If that'd not enough we should do it because in the long-run it means we spend less on foreign aid and benefit from other countries doing well economically and socially and being stable countries

Quite right. That’s been pointed out umpteen times. There are none as deaf as those who refuse to hear.

It is set out in the Times article linked to earlier.

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Why does this keep coming up. Heck they won’t even use the apostrophe properly and that’s what I actually spend my time talking about to them.
If teaching was indoctrination then, given the fact An Inspector Calls has been on the specification for over 20 years in some form or other, then this thread wouldn’t exist!

Did you read what I said? There isn’t the specialist care here!! These children will need major reconstructive surgery. I say this as an ex nurse who worked in burns and plastics and who recalls caring for Algerian kids operated on in the UK during the civil war there - paid for by the Algerian government. I also nursed an Iraqi patient with severe burns - his arms were blown off and he couldn’t lift his head due to the scar tissue on his neck. Sidra here in Doha does not have that sort of expertise. Why would they?! Qatar has a population of 3 million people. There are not enough severe burns, blast injuries or shrapnel wounds to warrant having those facilities here. Genuinely this thread has broken me - come on people, these are seriously injured and enormously traumatised kids!! Where is your humanity?!

It’s our governments fault for causing the situation in Gaza (start at Balfour and end up at the genocide today) so only makes it right they do the absolute bare minimum and treat a mere 300 children.

If there is capacity for more treatment for UK residents either directly via the NHS or costs covered by charities then they should be treated rather than waiting 15 weeks.

Do you think if we had a crisis we'd be shipped to Qatar or Saudi? No. We'd be transferred to other countries closer by for logistical, cultural and family reasons.

Who's 'them"?

Exactly.

'Did you read what I said? There isn’t the specialist care here!! '

I lived and worked in the ME. There are plenty of massive hospitals, plenty of resources and plenty of specialist staff.

From The Times

Since war broke out, more than 7,000 patients have been evacuated from Gaza, of whom 5,000 are children, according to figures from the Hamas-run health ministry.

Most have gone to Egypt, the United Arab Emirates or Qatar.

Some European countries — including Spain, Italy, Ireland, Norway and Romania — have taken in about 200 children, and are expected to welcome more.

It makes you feel a little sick that people are asking why should another country’s children be allowed to queue jump children in this country to get treatment? What about children here in the UK who need treatment currently on waiting lists? Of course, it the Gazzan children need treatment only available here, let them join the waiting lists. I say that as someone whose dgc has just had to have a procedure done privately because the waiting list was more than 6 months.

The ‘ME’ is not one country. You’re clearly not the brightest and the cognitive dissonance is beyond ridiculous now. May you never be in the kind of situation these people are. Grim.

I’m intolerant of racism, sexism and idle grifting, yes.
Aren't I supposed to be? Isn’t that the default?
Tories - I’ll never be on the same page but most (though not all) believe , as I do, that their opinions are best for the country. Reform know damn well they are only best for themselves and their mates. Happy to be intolerant of that.

If you take that attitude then the Pakistan/India stoushes are all Britain's fault, as are China's continuous grievances, economic and geographical expansionist sabre rattling, anything else? Probably, oh, the Australian Aborigines ongoing mistreatment absolutely nothing to do with the Australian govt does today and everything to do with what the British did in 1788.

Of course it will, unless they are funding 300 new beds, equipment,extra theatres , recovery and itu , medication, employing staff, parent accommodation, aftercare, rehab and flights. They clearly need and deserve help but are we doing this for other starving children or is it performance politics.