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Greenfood · 2025-07-31T16:22:52+00:00

I've seen today that the nurses have said their pay rise is not acceptable. I just feel think they're being unreasonable. They have great sick pay, holiday pay, maternity pay etc. Plus anecdotal evidence shows they are not caring, they sit at the desk not snowed under. Am I being unreasonable to think the public are not behind them and they're wasting their time?

Magicwand80 · 01/08/2025 21:09

Unilaterallyinsane · 01/08/2025 20:26

When my DH was dying in the ICU, he was nursed by absolute angels. He was washed, shaved, comforted, comfortable and the nurses also looked after us. The day he died he had one to one care from a nurse who was five months pregnant and working a 12 hour shift. If you’ve never been in an ICU, let me tell you, it’s gruesome. We were all traumatised by the sight of rows of unconscious, ventilated patients.

They deserve a decent pay rise and some more.

ICU nurses definitely should get paid more. It must be horrendous some of the things they see.

x2boys · 01/08/2025 23:01

Magicwand80 · 01/08/2025 21:09

ICU nurses definitely should get paid more. It must be horrendous some of the things they see.

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Oh absolutely my son spent three weeks on ICU two and half years ago the staff were amazing
I waa surprised they were only paid at band five the amount of knowledge they have to have.

LemondrizzleShark · 01/08/2025 23:07

PeriJane · 31/07/2025 17:24

🙄

Worst attempt at goading ever.

Yep, no mention of eating quality street all day? OP, up your game 🤣

edited to add if it wasn’t obvious: clearly nurses deserve more. I’d say 5-6%, and I’d absolutely support a strike.

rwalker · 01/08/2025 23:42

addictedtotheflats · 31/07/2025 23:19

As a band 7 A&E nurse not only am I accountable for myself, I'm ultimately accountable for upto 100 patients and 30 staff on one shift. There are so many variables in which I responsible for to ensure people don't make mistakes/are put in vulnerable situations/ensuring breaks are taken/obs are completed/resus patients are escalated/meeting ECS and KPI's/patients are accounted for/missing high risk mental health patients/managing drug errors/staff disputes/conduct issues. The list is literally endless, all for the grand reward of £24 an hour. Its shite. Imagine the same level of responsibility in the corporate world, you would be on £70K+. I've been qualified 14 years as a nurse, my partner who works in finance has had the same wage increase in 5 years that I have had in 14.

Presume you’ve only been band 7 for few years as £24 places you at the bottom end of pay scale
being in a+e you will get enhancements of +30% for unsocial mid week and +60% Sunday
they put 23% in your pension which will be over 11k
6 months full pay sick 6 months 1/2 pay sick
upto 6 weeks holiday
the overall package won’t be far away from 70k

Blushingm · 02/08/2025 07:03

rwalker · 01/08/2025 23:42

Presume you’ve only been band 7 for few years as £24 places you at the bottom end of pay scale
being in a+e you will get enhancements of +30% for unsocial mid week and +60% Sunday
they put 23% in your pension which will be over 11k
6 months full pay sick 6 months 1/2 pay sick
upto 6 weeks holiday
the overall package won’t be far away from 70k

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How do you work out £70k this lady is being paid £70k

All employers pay in to a pension - by law but they won’t be contributing more than £20k for this lady. The % deducted for pension also depends on your salary. The pension is no longer final salary either

Not all nurses work unsociable hours - if they do that is an enhancement and they receive it the same way police/fire/ambulance etc do. Enhancements - the % is actually less the higher band you are

Holidays is up to 6 weeks as it includes the bank holidays as these are normal working days for most nurses - surely you’d expect someone to get something extra for having to work Christmas Day etc?

Pippa12 · 02/08/2025 09:15

rwalker · 01/08/2025 23:42

Presume you’ve only been band 7 for few years as £24 places you at the bottom end of pay scale
being in a+e you will get enhancements of +30% for unsocial mid week and +60% Sunday
they put 23% in your pension which will be over 11k
6 months full pay sick 6 months 1/2 pay sick
upto 6 weeks holiday
the overall package won’t be far away from 70k

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My DH gets paid this working in catering. Even he thinks the pay difference i
is nuts for the skill sets.

You’re suggesting that this nurse should work all nights and weekends to earn an appropriate wage? 🤔

Are nurses supposed to be eternally grateful for sick pay and holidays now?

MrsEverest · 02/08/2025 09:26

Carers are shockingly badly paid I agree.

Don't make it a race to the bottom though.

Or, I suppose, retrain as a nurse and enjoy the big bucks and easy life? Hahahahah.

rwalker · 02/08/2025 10:39

Blushingm · 02/08/2025 07:03

How do you work out £70k this lady is being paid £70k

All employers pay in to a pension - by law but they won’t be contributing more than £20k for this lady. The % deducted for pension also depends on your salary. The pension is no longer final salary either

Not all nurses work unsociable hours - if they do that is an enhancement and they receive it the same way police/fire/ambulance etc do. Enhancements - the % is actually less the higher band you are

Holidays is up to 6 weeks as it includes the bank holidays as these are normal working days for most nurses - surely you’d expect someone to get something extra for having to work Christmas Day etc?

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I said the overall package Band 7 48k to just under 55k
nhs put 23% in your pension the majority of employers put a 1/3 of that in

so go for middle of pay scale that’s 52k add the pension contribution 11k that’s 63k A+E is 24 hours so there’s very few 9-5 staff in there 1 shift a week unsocial 3 shifts at .30% is an enhancement of about £104 per shift 1 Sunday shift .6 enhancement £208 that’s about an extra £500 a month x10 = 5k
so 52k
11k
5k
=67k not far off 70k as I said

most employers count BH in allowance and with the nhs you get more holiday for length if service do after 10 years your holiday allowance would be 33days +8 bank holidays =40days so counting BH that’s actually 8 weeks
as always you get enhancement for BH
any us the higher up the less the enchantment band 7 enhancement is .3 and .6 compared with .4 and.8

Maverickess · 02/08/2025 11:05

Pippa12 · 02/08/2025 09:15

My DH gets paid this working in catering. Even he thinks the pay difference i
is nuts for the skill sets.

You’re suggesting that this nurse should work all nights and weekends to earn an appropriate wage? 🤔

Are nurses supposed to be eternally grateful for sick pay and holidays now?

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I think the saddest thing about this is how we value leisure and fun more than health and wellbeing because clearly we're willing to pay more for it. Neither are respected though.

I work in hospitality and get paid more for the same level and less responsibility (meaning I'm more unlikely to cause lasting damage to someone in my job with a mistake than I was in care) than I did in care. I do the odd bank shift and get paid less although what I do is more important, at least imo anyway.

Strictly1 · 02/08/2025 11:05

SriouslyWhutNow · 31/07/2025 17:54

So sick of nurses making out like they have the hardest job in the world, but this is a new low even for them, to stand on carers to give themselves a boost. Their superiority and great importance is not anything to do with patient care, any sort of valuable skillset, or anything else (because deep down they know they're not actually doing any of that most of the time and leave it to carers and HCAs). It's all about the bloody PIN. 🙄
We all know who really looks after us and our relatives on the wards. Can't see a nurse for dust in most hospitals, they just sit chatting on desks while doctors and carers do the proper work.

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I’m not a nurse and so have no skin in the game but this isn’t my experience. I’ve been in hospital a lot with my parents and, yes, it’s true, they don’t get the care they need/deserve but I don’t believe that is due to neglectful nursing staff but a neglectful government.

NoSoupForU · 02/08/2025 11:08

As with just about every job there is, some will be shit, some will be exceptional and most will be run of the mill.

I don't think nurses deserve to be put up on a pedestal any more than any other profession. People carry on like they're doing what they do out of the goodness of their hearts instead of for their salary, like everyone else.

That said, fair play to anyone who's prepared to ask for more.

rwalker · 02/08/2025 11:14

Pippa12 · 02/08/2025 09:15

My DH gets paid this working in catering. Even he thinks the pay difference i
is nuts for the skill sets.

You’re suggesting that this nurse should work all nights and weekends to earn an appropriate wage? 🤔

Are nurses supposed to be eternally grateful for sick pay and holidays now?

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Who said anything about greatful
all I’m saying is remuneration for your job is the whole package
NHS offer better sick pay and pension contributions than most

WaryCrow · 02/08/2025 15:20

JennieTheZebra · 31/07/2025 22:44

@solando i mean, as a nurse, I’ve been told I’m not bright enough to get a real degree, told I sit around doing nothing, told that I’m not a professional…it goes on. It’s understandable to be defensive and protective of the career I’ve built. That doesn’t mean I’m ’up myself’.

Please be assured that some of us have worked next to nurses and think the way they are treated is appalling.

I know so many student nurses who are dropping out, or potential nurses - senior HCAs - who are not bothering because it is not worth it.

If only we could form a new society with those who appreciate and value those who do the real and needed work!

Blushingm · 03/08/2025 10:38

rwalker · 02/08/2025 10:39

I said the overall package Band 7 48k to just under 55k
nhs put 23% in your pension the majority of employers put a 1/3 of that in

so go for middle of pay scale that’s 52k add the pension contribution 11k that’s 63k A+E is 24 hours so there’s very few 9-5 staff in there 1 shift a week unsocial 3 shifts at .30% is an enhancement of about £104 per shift 1 Sunday shift .6 enhancement £208 that’s about an extra £500 a month x10 = 5k
so 52k
11k
5k
=67k not far off 70k as I said

most employers count BH in allowance and with the nhs you get more holiday for length if service do after 10 years your holiday allowance would be 33days +8 bank holidays =40days so counting BH that’s actually 8 weeks
as always you get enhancement for BH
any us the higher up the less the enchantment band 7 enhancement is .3 and .6 compared with .4 and.8

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23% is not going into each persons pension pot. That 23% is what the nhs is paying to service current pensioners. Those who had the final salary pension. That scheme is closed so employees now are on a different scheme

https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/nhs-pension-scheme-employer-contributions

NHS Pension Scheme - employer contributions

Details of the contribution rate payable by employers in the NHS Pension Scheme

https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/nhs-pension-scheme-employer-contributions

Magicwand80 · 03/08/2025 12:29

@rwalker As they should offer the sick pay. After your expected to work nights and day shifts for 13 hours long in the same week. Staffing levels are hideous and it's quite a toxic place to work with it been mainly women.

Its not family friendly hours despite NHS pushing that narrative in fact it couldn't be less practical when you start having a family. You are also expected to work Xmas/New Year and bank holidays. 6 weeks is annual leave is hardly a perk is it?

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 03/08/2025 14:27

Who should be paid most to respect the training required and responsibility held ... train driver or nurse? That's the crux of the issue.

WaryCrow · 04/08/2025 13:45

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 03/08/2025 14:27

Who should be paid most to respect the training required and responsibility held ... train driver or nurse? That's the crux of the issue.

Or even footballer v nurse.

Incidentally, op, I wondered what you thought of the police rejecting their offer of 4.2%?

It also says in the bbc article on the subject that after 6 years a constable earns £50k, I don’t know what the whole truth is of that. But teachers and nurses don’t get that kind of uplift automatically, nor other healthcare workers. Not that I resent decent pay for police: but we all need and deserve it.

Magicwand80 · 04/08/2025 13:51

@warycrow nurses had there chance! I say this as I work amongst them. A lot of them couldn't be bothered to strike long term. There's no point the nurses moaning about the wages now. Goodwill won't pay the bills and they shouldn't of felt obligated to come to work based on patient safety as the numbers are often dangerous and nobody gives a hoot!