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To think you don’t catch a butterfly and take it round M&S

418 replies

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:32

Was just picking up a few bits in M&S and there was a girl about 8 years old or so swinging one of those butterfly net thingies off her arm. On closer inspection I saw she had one in there (not the ones you send away for, although that would be bad enough, one that had obviously been procured organically)

Her mum was busy looking at something so I said to the girl ‘oh! What a pretty butterfly. That’s a large white. I except you’re going to let it go after you’ve finished your shopping, aren’t you?’

The mum came over beaming presumably ready to hear a comment about what a fun summer holiday activity this all is, and said ‘no, we’ll take it home, keep it for a few days and observe it. It flew straight into the net so we had this ready to pop it straight into!’

‘I said ‘well I’m sure it would have been preferred to be observed in nature, where it was, not caught in a net and taken round the shops. Don’t you think it’s a bit cruel?’

Anyway she was visibly annoyed, and said ‘it’s fine. My children are learning about nature! We know what it eats!’

Anyway she steered her child away from me and said some people are just very joyless and bitter.

Yeah I know I probably sound like a busy body but I can’t bear it when parents tell their kids it’s ok to just take stuff out of nature for their own amusement. Why is it ok to do this? It’s so Victorian, to capture a creature to just look at it, no thought for the poor thing at all. Don’t get me started on why they still sell butterfly nets 😭

OP posts:
JorgyPorgy · 02/08/2025 19:41

gotellsomeone · 31/07/2025 12:40

I would find your view point hypocritical unless you were. I am and would be upset by this, not enough to say something though.

It’s not hypocritical at all.
are chickens in decline?! No!
Now that butterfly won’t get a chance to lay eggs

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 02/08/2025 19:42

Yeah - that would upset me too

Brunts12 · 02/08/2025 19:46

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 16:29

I don’t drive actually, (I know that’s another Mumsnet no no) I walked into town. Sometimes I bike or get the bus. Or the tram, but they’re re-doing the track at my local stop.

’one kid’ - not always though is it. It’s like those people that just pick ‘a few’ wild flowers, well, if we all did it, there wouldn’t be any left. (No I’m not talking about bloody dandelions)

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Why not dandelions, though, OP? I'm sure you're aware that they are an important source of nectar. They are one of the first flowers to bloom, providing an early nectar supply that is vital for the survival of bees.
You come across as very passionate about wildlife conservation, although seemingly only towards species of your liking.

WontSomebodyThinkOfTheCritters · 02/08/2025 19:48

Oh they most definitely do @WimbyAce and not just little kids - I know of a fair few adults who do it also.

LoztWorld · 02/08/2025 19:49

Britneyfan · 31/07/2025 12:59

Honestly I’m clearly a dissenting voice here but I feel like this was very confrontational and downright rude actually. It’s not something I’ve ever given a lot of thought to but as they do this in schools etc it hadn’t really occurred to me that it’s a problem to keep a butterfly for a few days.

I can see why you feel the way you do now I’ve thought about it more, but perhaps if you feel this strongly it would be better to raise public awareness generally online etc about why this is a bad idea, rather than confront an individual mother and child about it. They were happy and having fun and engaging in learning about nature rather than mindlessly watching TV or playing computer games etc. That child may now just remember some random woman being horrible to her and upsetting her mum (how dare she think a stranger was randomly accosting them to say something nice instead of critical for a change), for wanting to learn about butterflies, and switch off from any interest in nature in the future.

I would see it as exactly the same as someone coming over to randomly confront you about why you’re eating a sausage roll in a supermarket cafe, accusing you of cruelty to animals. If you wouldn’t want to be in that situation or would think that random person is unreasonable, then maybe you can reflect on how this situation came across from the other side.

100% agree

Tontostitis · 02/08/2025 19:49

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:47

Yes, it’s very strange!

I don't think they are arguing against more like virtue signalling

TipsyPeachSnake · 02/08/2025 19:51

HuskyJeans · 31/07/2025 13:48

You don't need to be arsey, the point stands that if you're happy for animals to be used and kept in less than great conditions for you to have eggs and dairy it is by nature hypocritical for you to kick off about a butterfly in a net. I'm not a vegan, it's not "vegan logic" that's just logic, isn't it?

Because butterflies are pretty they get special dispensation. And you get to feel good for telling off a kid in a store (and kudos for naming the shop lest we think you were slumming it in ASDA).

Truth!

Smurfette63 · 02/08/2025 19:55

I agree with you, this is cruel. There's better ways of teaching a child about wildlife. Butterflies are so delicate.

TipsyPeachSnake · 02/08/2025 19:57

FanofLeaves · 01/08/2025 11:34

I caught a pigeon the other day and some bloke held it while I used nail scissors to cut off all the hair the poor beggar had wrapped round and round his feet and he couldn’t walk. (Yeah I know I shouldn’t have helped him because I’m not vegan 😅)

There’s an animal charity in London that go round and do the same, it’s a real problem, they spend so much time on the pavements and over time lots of them get hair wrapped round their little feet and it is very painful for them and eventually cuts off their circulation. I know lots of people wouldn’t care though because they’re ’just rats with wings’ (I don’t mind rats either as long as they stay out of my house)

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I’m actually quite surprised you are not vegan, you seem to have a lot of empathy for certain creatures, thank you.

Les20 · 02/08/2025 19:58

1st world problem , I guess I see your point but on the other hand , human eat animals, keep cats locked in the houses, sterilise them etc to enjoy as a pet . You could also argue therefore that you are being a hypocrite

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 02/08/2025 19:59

FanofLeaves · 31/07/2025 12:32

Was just picking up a few bits in M&S and there was a girl about 8 years old or so swinging one of those butterfly net thingies off her arm. On closer inspection I saw she had one in there (not the ones you send away for, although that would be bad enough, one that had obviously been procured organically)

Her mum was busy looking at something so I said to the girl ‘oh! What a pretty butterfly. That’s a large white. I except you’re going to let it go after you’ve finished your shopping, aren’t you?’

The mum came over beaming presumably ready to hear a comment about what a fun summer holiday activity this all is, and said ‘no, we’ll take it home, keep it for a few days and observe it. It flew straight into the net so we had this ready to pop it straight into!’

‘I said ‘well I’m sure it would have been preferred to be observed in nature, where it was, not caught in a net and taken round the shops. Don’t you think it’s a bit cruel?’

Anyway she was visibly annoyed, and said ‘it’s fine. My children are learning about nature! We know what it eats!’

Anyway she steered her child away from me and said some people are just very joyless and bitter.

Yeah I know I probably sound like a busy body but I can’t bear it when parents tell their kids it’s ok to just take stuff out of nature for their own amusement. Why is it ok to do this? It’s so Victorian, to capture a creature to just look at it, no thought for the poor thing at all. Don’t get me started on why they still sell butterfly nets 😭

@FanofLeaves 100% with you on this one. I'm glad you spoke up!

Apart from being cruel, aren't we meant to be encouraging and supporting wildlife these days?

(I am a vegan if it matters to anyone)

martinisforeveryone · 02/08/2025 20:10

SamPM · 02/08/2025 18:02

A butterfly is basically a wild creature and we need them as pollinators. I do not understand why anyone would be capturing them to "study". Grow native plants and study them in your garden where they fucking well should be. This makes me livid frankly and I would not have held back. I have noticed a dramatic decline in butterflies in my lifetime and this is NOT acceptable behaviour and this mother and child should know better. And schools.

Hear Hear!

I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian. I'm not an activist or out there in any way BUT, I am, I hope, a decent human being without a superiority complex.

I do believe in the Chaos Theory though and am in awe of migrating butterflies.
Who are we to impose our will on such important creatures.
10 Butterflies That Migrate — Forest Wildlife

10 Butterflies That Migrate — Forest Wildlife

You may have heard that, like birds, many species of butterflies migrate. Today we’re going to take a look at butterflies that migrate.

https://www.forestwildlife.org/butterflies-that-migrate/

Horsie · 02/08/2025 20:11

OTOH, how many butterflies get taken round the shops? I bet its eyes were out on stalks looking at all the things it wanted to save up for.

Clearinguptheclutter · 02/08/2025 20:15

I’d be pretty cross to see this

in the pandemic we did get caterpillars and watch them metamorphosise (sp) but once they became butterflies we only looked after them for about a day (to feed and energize them) then watched them fly away. I feel for that little girl who is going to think it’s ok to catch a butterfly like that. Chances are it will be dead before she releases it. At least she is unlikely to do it again after that

and regardless of what anyone thinks, totally ridiculous to take the creature to marks and Spencer!

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2025 20:16

Aberdeenusername · 02/08/2025 18:50

Despite not being vegan myself. I agree with the vegan argument on here. It’s speciesism to get on your high horse about a butterfly but to continue to eat meat or dairy.

Why ? We farm and slaughter animals for food. There’s a point to it. What’s the point of trapping a butterfly in a net and carting it round M&S ? The ‘if you eat meat you’re a hypocrite for worrying about a butterfly’ argument doesn’t stand up here. And now it would appear that we can’t eat veg either because pesticides kill caterpillars. Fish anyone ? Nope, can’t eat that either.

Laughingoutloud1 · 02/08/2025 20:20

Wow you obviously forgot what its like to be a kid and have some wonder in your life. Sad really.

Aberdeenusername · 02/08/2025 20:21

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2025 20:16

Why ? We farm and slaughter animals for food. There’s a point to it. What’s the point of trapping a butterfly in a net and carting it round M&S ? The ‘if you eat meat you’re a hypocrite for worrying about a butterfly’ argument doesn’t stand up here. And now it would appear that we can’t eat veg either because pesticides kill caterpillars. Fish anyone ? Nope, can’t eat that either.

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But you don’t need to eat meat to survive. It’s a choice to eat animal meat just like it was a choice to make this butterfly a “pet”. It’s not a necessity to eat meat people do pick and choose the animals to be sentimental about and it’s speciesism so the vegan argument does stand and I say that as a non vegan.

Sally20099 · 02/08/2025 20:21

God help the world - thank you for trying OP. I’m 100% with you.

mediumdicketh · 02/08/2025 20:22

What a very traumatic life span for the butterfly catch it observe for at least 10 mins and realise the beautiful creature back to nature! We have saw a lot this year and don't want that butterfly to tell all his/her/they fellow butterfly friends about the torture his endured as they may never return next summer.

Anythingisjustfine · 02/08/2025 20:27

Totally random comment here but a few years ago I and my now 12 year old found a butterfly in the garden who’s wings were badly torn and stuck together, I assume from coming out of the cocoon badly - it couldn’t fly at all. My daughter wanted to make it a home to keep it safe and whilst I’d normally say no I allowed her to have it in a large box in her bedroom with fresh branches and flowers etc, on the condition she fed it daily. I wasn’t expecting it to make it through the night as I grew up thinking they only lived for a day but she ended up staying with us for 7 months. She’d just crawl all over my daughter and her room, it was actually very sweet, she’d feed her crushed bananas etc. She called her Tiger and my daughter formed a very close bond with her. She was a Peacock butterfly. She’s got her own little grave in our garden and my daughter still puts fresh flowers on it every week. Funny how something so small can have such a big impact. Keeping an animal that’s meant to fly in captivity for entertainment is wrong and the kid should be taught that from a young age.

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 02/08/2025 20:32

There's all sorts of "hypocrisy" when it comes to animals (and other things!). As a nation of "animal lovers" we still seem to see some animals as meat and others as beloved pets, which I can't get my head round, and even us vegans get called hypocrites as field mice get killed by combine harvesters.

I would love for everyone to care about all creatures and wished everyone were vegan BUT the more we care about animals and nature the better. One butterfly saved is better than nothing. For the butterfly and us. Why I'm supporting @FanofLeaves

HevenlyMeS · 02/08/2025 20:35

God Bless You&Yours
💚🤗💚

Aberdeenusername · 02/08/2025 20:35

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 02/08/2025 20:32

There's all sorts of "hypocrisy" when it comes to animals (and other things!). As a nation of "animal lovers" we still seem to see some animals as meat and others as beloved pets, which I can't get my head round, and even us vegans get called hypocrites as field mice get killed by combine harvesters.

I would love for everyone to care about all creatures and wished everyone were vegan BUT the more we care about animals and nature the better. One butterfly saved is better than nothing. For the butterfly and us. Why I'm supporting @FanofLeaves

Edited

But she didn’t save the butterfly she just lectured a small child in M&S whilst presumably buying non vegan items which hurt animals!? I can’t get on board with an adult preaching to a child they don’t know - especially when it’s peppered with hypocracy!

would the OP go up and lecture strangers in the street smoking whilst pregnant? Or drinking alcohol whilst pregnant? Etc
some people also seem to be more bothered about the rights of insects over humans.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2025 20:38

Aberdeenusername · 02/08/2025 20:21

But you don’t need to eat meat to survive. It’s a choice to eat animal meat just like it was a choice to make this butterfly a “pet”. It’s not a necessity to eat meat people do pick and choose the animals to be sentimental about and it’s speciesism so the vegan argument does stand and I say that as a non vegan.

So because we kill animals for meat, it’s fine to kill a butterfly for entertainment ? Don’t make me laugh.

Aberdeenusername · 02/08/2025 20:39

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2025 20:38

So because we kill animals for meat, it’s fine to kill a butterfly for entertainment ? Don’t make me laugh.

no the argument is neither is fine. But you can’t argue one is ok and the other is not…

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