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Immigration population up another 700k

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Atallglassimdof · 30/07/2025 23:35

I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

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Jennps · 31/07/2025 12:22

whoamI00 · 31/07/2025 12:21

Do you think employer's first consideration is overseas worker and they offer higher salary to bring them?

Why do you think that?

5MinuteArgument · 31/07/2025 12:25

Jennps · 31/07/2025 12:17

Yeah and way more than that number of people out of work. Pay people market wages or have businesses automate more work. Both of these things raise productivity which means a better life for all those who are here.

The immigration we have is damaging to this country and to those already here. It is actively harming people here.

Agreed, and it's having the biggest impact on the poorest communities.

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 12:26

Atallglassimdof · 30/07/2025 23:46

Not saying they are all low skilled workers but a fair number are… care home workers for example.

You did say that

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 12:26

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 11:31

What a crock of shit. I know lots of immigrants. My Dr and dentist are both immigrants as are two of my consultants. I know “nice Europeans” in similar roles. You don’t sound like you have embraced the kind of values you profess to admire. You seem to have brought your own prejudice with you. How depressing

Haha

"I know highly paid foreign people so I am going to call your appalling experience on public transport lies, because I'm richer than you and that's my entitlement."

More than anything it's people like "oh that's a bit shit" that are the reason this country is absolutely fucked.

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 12:28

MumBrain23 · 31/07/2025 11:21

I’m not surprised that the vast majority of MN comments are gaslighting the OP about this issue. After all, they are in elite jobs and have very little to do with immigrants on a daily basis.

I’m from an immigrant background- have lived here for 33 years. When I first arrived, London still had British values and I felt lucky to be here. In the last 15 years more people kept arriving and I didn’t mind that. I thought that Britain’s future was rainbow coloured, a future where the average Londoner or British citizen would look mixed… some kind of futuristic utopia where people are educated, cultured and somewhat British in values and happy to be here and keen to assimilate.

But f’’k me, that hasn’t been the case at all. One day, I woke up in the most multicultural area of Europe and it was no longer beautiful. I felt bewildered and sick
Since the pandemic, immigration has turbo charged. People are no longer peacefully living side by side in segregation somewhat following the laws of the land. It’s become jarring and discombobulating. Anti-social and selfish behaviour has skyrocketed.

No one cares about pregnant women, the elderly or disabled on buses anymore. The number of times I’ve seen a new arrival type person sitting in a priority seat not giving a sh’t about anyone else. The number of cars that went past at a zebra crossing without stopping was weird. The number of people (Bulgarian Turks, Latin Americans, Somalis) who wouldn’t let me or my buggy have an equal chance to get on the bus because it was more convenient for them to get on first was shocking. In the end, a European man (who looked German or Dutch) let me go on first when he saw me waiting there for ages. The only time someone was gentlemanly or kind was when there were visitors to the stadium (someone from Essex or another home country).

There are immigrants like me and then there are immigrants freshly arrived who come here and see that it’s a liberal and individualist society with plenty of free money if they wait a few months and get some sort of settled status. They are the dregs of society back home, they have nothing to lose, they are in survival mode and come from a dog eat dog society, they are rough as f, some of them are even criminals. They see this country as a free for all and can see that they don’t need to have any responsibilities for all their rights. So they become selfish, nihilistic, playing their shitty TikTok videos loudly on buses, cracking sunflower seeds in parks and leaving the shells everywhere.Their children littering the parks with vapes, stealing those hire bikes and finding a way to ride them without paying for them. This is not multiculturalism, this is a dystopian hellscape. F this Sh’

London has fallen. There are so many barber shops side by side, they’re not making much from cutting men’s hair, that’s for sure.

Yesterday, I took my baby to Hampstead Health and was walking around the residential areas of Gospel Oak to get to it and I thought, ‘yep, these residents are totally insulated from what’s going on because they live a life of privilege’ in their low traffic zone neighbourhood with their beautiful homes. No new arrivals are going to be able to afford to live there. There, the drivers stopped for me to cross at the zebra crossing and someone helped me get the buggy onto the bus even though I didn’t need the help. The difference between night and day.

And up north, those gaslighters are living in posh villages or towns, nowhere near Rotherham or Harehills, so it’s all too easy to call someone Nigel or a bigot when they don’t even know anyone who was affected by the CSE scandal.

I feel sorry for this beautiful country. It’s elite is sleep walking in sharia law. Blasphemy laws. My family escaped from Turkey to live in a liberal society but religion followed us here and soon illiberal attitudes will be the norm. Soon, English women will refrain from showing any cleavage, wearing any shorts or sleeveless tops because they will feel preyed upon. Bravo, liberal elites, bravo.

Openly racist wow. How do you know someone’s nationality ? They could well be British but I guess you only assume white people like you arent immigrants. Having a pushchair doesnt give you a priority the world doesnt revolve around you

cestlavielife · 31/07/2025 12:30

Care home workers pay taxes.

PandoraSocks · 31/07/2025 12:31

"Sleepwalking into Sharia law" seems to be the phrase du jour.

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 12:33

Lemniscate8 · 30/07/2025 23:48

You have clearly never worked in a care home!

I have. The migrants carers are generally low skilled. Mandatory training is farcical - 99% of it is online assessed by quizzes that are so easy, it’s practically impossible to fail them. Only moving and handling is face to face to show to how to use the equipment.

There is a huge cultural difference between the migrant workers and the residents. Take dementia for example - the migrant carers have no understanding of the older adult’s life experiences - they cannot do reminiscence therapy, talk about the “olden days” etc. Often their accent is so strong, the residents cannot make out a word they are saying. Remember the incident when a resident died because the care staff couldn’t speak English well enough
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-67622479.amp

Many of the migrants are young men and you can’t honestly tell me they like this exceptionally demanding work? It’s just an easy way into the UK. Also - many of the female residents do not want personal care provided by young males, so often, the female workers take the lion’s share of the work while the males sit on their phones!

Recruiting low skilled migrants to look after some of the most vulnerable in society is not the answer. Pay and conditions in the care home sector need to be improved to attract British workers - for example, proper sick pay and better holidays.

I’m honestly so over the narrative that we need non-skilled, overseas workers to fill employment gaps. No, we need jobs to be more attractive to our own citizens.

A women with curly white hair

Poor English contributed to woman's stair lift death - inquest - BBC News

Barbara Rymell, 91, died after carers failed to tell paramedics how severe a fall was.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-67622479.amp

Jennps · 31/07/2025 12:34

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 12:28

Openly racist wow. How do you know someone’s nationality ? They could well be British but I guess you only assume white people like you arent immigrants. Having a pushchair doesnt give you a priority the world doesnt revolve around you

Can kinda guess that you have no idea of what real world is like. Probably fitting every cliche about a liberal white saviour living in a bubble shouting ‘racist’ at everyone who has a different opinion.

Not even aware of the irony that you are shouting racist at someone themselves is an immigrant. But of course unless people like you are infantilizing immigrants, telling them to act brown and victims in equal measure, it doesn’t satisfy your moral superiority complex, does it.

AllTheGinghams · 31/07/2025 12:34

spoonbillstretford · 31/07/2025 12:18

We actually need to stop pushing everyone down an academic route and GCSE Maths for example is beyond a lot of people now and should not be asked for in a lot of jobs as you only need basic arithmetic. The Government should actually ban employers asking for degrees for things like basic office jobs. I think I would honestly struggle if I were doing it now without a lot of tutoring as it is way beyond the GCSE Maths I did 30 years ago which I scraped a C in.

With Maths and English you need a basic level which would be tested at 14, end of Y9 then you should be able to have a free choice of subjects after that. Considering the skills we need for the country, technical college age 14-18 would be a better route for many.

Or rather than young people having to pay for years of higher education or technical college, employers could invest in training new unexperienced workers in the actual skills they will need in the workplace, rather than taking the cheaper option of employing already skilled workers from abroad. Could benefit young people or those who have been out of work for a while. This would only work if the government tapered off the number of people allowed in on skilled work visas though, which isn't going to happen.

dottiehens · 31/07/2025 12:38

MumBrain23 · 31/07/2025 11:21

I’m not surprised that the vast majority of MN comments are gaslighting the OP about this issue. After all, they are in elite jobs and have very little to do with immigrants on a daily basis.

I’m from an immigrant background- have lived here for 33 years. When I first arrived, London still had British values and I felt lucky to be here. In the last 15 years more people kept arriving and I didn’t mind that. I thought that Britain’s future was rainbow coloured, a future where the average Londoner or British citizen would look mixed… some kind of futuristic utopia where people are educated, cultured and somewhat British in values and happy to be here and keen to assimilate.

But f’’k me, that hasn’t been the case at all. One day, I woke up in the most multicultural area of Europe and it was no longer beautiful. I felt bewildered and sick
Since the pandemic, immigration has turbo charged. People are no longer peacefully living side by side in segregation somewhat following the laws of the land. It’s become jarring and discombobulating. Anti-social and selfish behaviour has skyrocketed.

No one cares about pregnant women, the elderly or disabled on buses anymore. The number of times I’ve seen a new arrival type person sitting in a priority seat not giving a sh’t about anyone else. The number of cars that went past at a zebra crossing without stopping was weird. The number of people (Bulgarian Turks, Latin Americans, Somalis) who wouldn’t let me or my buggy have an equal chance to get on the bus because it was more convenient for them to get on first was shocking. In the end, a European man (who looked German or Dutch) let me go on first when he saw me waiting there for ages. The only time someone was gentlemanly or kind was when there were visitors to the stadium (someone from Essex or another home country).

There are immigrants like me and then there are immigrants freshly arrived who come here and see that it’s a liberal and individualist society with plenty of free money if they wait a few months and get some sort of settled status. They are the dregs of society back home, they have nothing to lose, they are in survival mode and come from a dog eat dog society, they are rough as f, some of them are even criminals. They see this country as a free for all and can see that they don’t need to have any responsibilities for all their rights. So they become selfish, nihilistic, playing their shitty TikTok videos loudly on buses, cracking sunflower seeds in parks and leaving the shells everywhere.Their children littering the parks with vapes, stealing those hire bikes and finding a way to ride them without paying for them. This is not multiculturalism, this is a dystopian hellscape. F this Sh’

London has fallen. There are so many barber shops side by side, they’re not making much from cutting men’s hair, that’s for sure.

Yesterday, I took my baby to Hampstead Health and was walking around the residential areas of Gospel Oak to get to it and I thought, ‘yep, these residents are totally insulated from what’s going on because they live a life of privilege’ in their low traffic zone neighbourhood with their beautiful homes. No new arrivals are going to be able to afford to live there. There, the drivers stopped for me to cross at the zebra crossing and someone helped me get the buggy onto the bus even though I didn’t need the help. The difference between night and day.

And up north, those gaslighters are living in posh villages or towns, nowhere near Rotherham or Harehills, so it’s all too easy to call someone Nigel or a bigot when they don’t even know anyone who was affected by the CSE scandal.

I feel sorry for this beautiful country. It’s elite is sleep walking in sharia law. Blasphemy laws. My family escaped from Turkey to live in a liberal society but religion followed us here and soon illiberal attitudes will be the norm. Soon, English women will refrain from showing any cleavage, wearing any shorts or sleeveless tops because they will feel preyed upon. Bravo, liberal elites, bravo.

Can’t have say it better. 👏 So for the person who said my children will be immigrants when leaving. They do not realised immigrants like us had enough with the situation. We left to the UK for the same reason we are leaving now. Beggars belief that a perfectly civilised country has come to this state.

BlazenWeights · 31/07/2025 12:38

5MinuteArgument · 31/07/2025 12:10

If there's a lack of workers in a sector then the wages and conditions should improve, supply and demand. Bringing in people from abroad who will work for less has disrupted this.

Of course big business and govt love it.

They pay them the minimum wage at the very least! Clearly minimum wage is not good enough for the average jobless Brit!

spoonbillstretford · 31/07/2025 12:40

AllTheGinghams · 31/07/2025 12:34

Or rather than young people having to pay for years of higher education or technical college, employers could invest in training new unexperienced workers in the actual skills they will need in the workplace, rather than taking the cheaper option of employing already skilled workers from abroad. Could benefit young people or those who have been out of work for a while. This would only work if the government tapered off the number of people allowed in on skilled work visas though, which isn't going to happen.

And made it much easier to give apprenticeships, there are some barriers now.

But these are medium to long term solutions. Quite often we need people, like, next week.

The last government piled money into Free schools which are all now big academy chains and not fit for purpose, and also into the university sector. They woefully underfunded further education and only paid lip service to apprenticeships which is a crying shame.

FigTreeInEurope · 31/07/2025 12:41

Bloody modernity with it's international travel and global communications.

MsMoody · 31/07/2025 12:42

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 11:31

What a crock of shit. I know lots of immigrants. My Dr and dentist are both immigrants as are two of my consultants. I know “nice Europeans” in similar roles. You don’t sound like you have embraced the kind of values you profess to admire. You seem to have brought your own prejudice with you. How depressing

Immigrants do tend to bring their prejudices with them- that's part of the problem. I live near one of those military bases where the resettlement scheme has taken place and some of the goings on would turn even the most bleeding heart mumsnetter to Reform!

5MinuteArgument · 31/07/2025 12:43

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 12:33

I have. The migrants carers are generally low skilled. Mandatory training is farcical - 99% of it is online assessed by quizzes that are so easy, it’s practically impossible to fail them. Only moving and handling is face to face to show to how to use the equipment.

There is a huge cultural difference between the migrant workers and the residents. Take dementia for example - the migrant carers have no understanding of the older adult’s life experiences - they cannot do reminiscence therapy, talk about the “olden days” etc. Often their accent is so strong, the residents cannot make out a word they are saying. Remember the incident when a resident died because the care staff couldn’t speak English well enough
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-67622479.amp

Many of the migrants are young men and you can’t honestly tell me they like this exceptionally demanding work? It’s just an easy way into the UK. Also - many of the female residents do not want personal care provided by young males, so often, the female workers take the lion’s share of the work while the males sit on their phones!

Recruiting low skilled migrants to look after some of the most vulnerable in society is not the answer. Pay and conditions in the care home sector need to be improved to attract British workers - for example, proper sick pay and better holidays.

I’m honestly so over the narrative that we need non-skilled, overseas workers to fill employment gaps. No, we need jobs to be more attractive to our own citizens.

Agreed. This is an important example of how broken the system is.

Yeah, it baffles me why people on the left are always saying we need migrants to fill low paid jobs.

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 12:43

whoamI00 · 31/07/2025 12:09

UK worker visa threshold is £ 41.7k. You might be eligible for lower rate either £30 k or so if you're under 26 years old. In 2022, 1.3 million unfilled jobs across various sectors.

We are forever chasing this unfilled vacancy number and forever will because much of it is turnover and not expansion.

Public sector statistics for governments are produced by people that have never run a business as so don't understand the basics of even something as simple as hiring.

We are now borrowing billions and paying billions in debt interest to spend on people from all over the world. We are a global welfare state.

I don't actually care which government caused it because it seems unstoppable now until it implodes, which it will.

I certainly have no loyalty anymore to a country that does this to itself and has a culture of insulting people that didn't want this to happen, but apparently there are billionaires that can be forced to give money to pay for infinity migration, as we continue to import poverty to facilitate mass worklessness.

That's the plan apparently.

spoonbillstretford · 31/07/2025 12:46

BlazenWeights · 31/07/2025 12:38

They pay them the minimum wage at the very least! Clearly minimum wage is not good enough for the average jobless Brit!

It's not though is it if you want to raise a family and pay for accommodation costs. And as someone else said it's the uncertain shift patterns and working conditions which make some jobs unsuitable for people with caring responsibilities. I remember enquiring about working part time as a cook in an old people's home. I asked what hours they wanted and when and they couldn't tell me. Why on earth couldn't this job be like 4 regular hours a day between 10 and 2, say? Because they just wanted zero hours contract people they could piss about with.

Earning age 21 living wage aged 16 for DD2 at home is brilliant but not if she were trying to set up home on her own. At least she has a minimum set hours contract too though which is great for her. Some her mates get messed about with zero hours contracts.

User8081 · 31/07/2025 12:46

Coffeecakebakes · 31/07/2025 10:18

If more than 400,000 are international students with a study visa, should they really be counted? They will be paying vast sums to UK Universities as International Students to complete degree or masters courses, which are temporary in nature lasting 1 to 4 years.

Are they all genuine students paying tuition fees to UK Universities?

Previously, many were using student visas from dodgy 'education providers' to come here and work illegally.

EasternStandard · 31/07/2025 12:46

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 12:43

We are forever chasing this unfilled vacancy number and forever will because much of it is turnover and not expansion.

Public sector statistics for governments are produced by people that have never run a business as so don't understand the basics of even something as simple as hiring.

We are now borrowing billions and paying billions in debt interest to spend on people from all over the world. We are a global welfare state.

I don't actually care which government caused it because it seems unstoppable now until it implodes, which it will.

I certainly have no loyalty anymore to a country that does this to itself and has a culture of insulting people that didn't want this to happen, but apparently there are billionaires that can be forced to give money to pay for infinity migration, as we continue to import poverty to facilitate mass worklessness.

That's the plan apparently.

Also those billionaires are all bad for some reason, and should just leave.

ScholesPanda · 31/07/2025 12:47

Current levels of immigration are completely unsustainable. We need to cut back drastically.

Jennps · 31/07/2025 12:47

MsMoody · 31/07/2025 12:42

Immigrants do tend to bring their prejudices with them- that's part of the problem. I live near one of those military bases where the resettlement scheme has taken place and some of the goings on would turn even the most bleeding heart mumsnetter to Reform!

Do tell. It might help educate some of the sheltered souls on here who never step outside their bubble and consider themselves experts on the subject of impact of immigration because they may know a couple of immigrant doctors.

EasternStandard · 31/07/2025 12:49

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 12:33

I have. The migrants carers are generally low skilled. Mandatory training is farcical - 99% of it is online assessed by quizzes that are so easy, it’s practically impossible to fail them. Only moving and handling is face to face to show to how to use the equipment.

There is a huge cultural difference between the migrant workers and the residents. Take dementia for example - the migrant carers have no understanding of the older adult’s life experiences - they cannot do reminiscence therapy, talk about the “olden days” etc. Often their accent is so strong, the residents cannot make out a word they are saying. Remember the incident when a resident died because the care staff couldn’t speak English well enough
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-67622479.amp

Many of the migrants are young men and you can’t honestly tell me they like this exceptionally demanding work? It’s just an easy way into the UK. Also - many of the female residents do not want personal care provided by young males, so often, the female workers take the lion’s share of the work while the males sit on their phones!

Recruiting low skilled migrants to look after some of the most vulnerable in society is not the answer. Pay and conditions in the care home sector need to be improved to attract British workers - for example, proper sick pay and better holidays.

I’m honestly so over the narrative that we need non-skilled, overseas workers to fill employment gaps. No, we need jobs to be more attractive to our own citizens.

This sounds useful as insight. A care worker visa will be a big draw as a way to enter, not for everyone, but for many and I think more males could use it that way.

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 12:49

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 12:28

Openly racist wow. How do you know someone’s nationality ? They could well be British but I guess you only assume white people like you arent immigrants. Having a pushchair doesnt give you a priority the world doesnt revolve around you

It used to, people used to be courteous and would assist a mother. It's called civility.

That's the problem, we've lost civility. It's a thin veneer a civilised society depends on.
I wonder if you have ever experienced it? The way you spoke to this poster makes me think not

And that's the problem.

The high trust society that we had is gone.

Jennps · 31/07/2025 12:51

User8081 · 31/07/2025 12:46

Are they all genuine students paying tuition fees to UK Universities?

Previously, many were using student visas from dodgy 'education providers' to come here and work illegally.

Of course they are not. This country is full of second rate universities and colleges, selling visas to ‘students’ who use it to get in and never leave. ‘Student’ overstayers are the second biggest cohort of illegal immigrants after the channel migrants. They are literally only buying these visas to come and overstay, then claim asylum.

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