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To have expected that the owners of this holiday let would not be living in the building.

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WatchingCometsLand · 29/07/2025 10:42

^https://www.vrbo.com/en-gb/p1975005a^

We spent 3k on this holiday (our first in years). Turns out that we get the top floor and the owners live below. They enter and exit with their vans via two garage doors immediately below our bedroom windows, through the garden.

Were we unreasonable to have expected this to be stated in the advertisement?

The noise is particularly problematic - we have been woken late at night and then first thing in the morning.

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Villamaria · 05/08/2025 08:38

Have not read full thread but would it be possible to make a chargeback claim via Visa or Mastercard? Keep all screenshots / messages recorded / details of medication to show you were unable to try move accommodation.

If a purchase has gone wrong, the seller will not refund you and you used your debit or credit card to make the purchase, you may have the option to make a chargeback claim through your bank and get your money back. A chargeback, otherwise known as a dispute, is a way for your bank to reclaim money from the seller’s bank when you don’t receive the goods or services you paid for, including if the retailer or supplier has gone out of business.

EstherGreenwood63 · 05/08/2025 08:38

@RoseAlone we see you pal... 😂

Jet2holiday · 05/08/2025 10:30

@RoseAlone

Did you rtft?

As ascertained above, the other reviewers appear to have read a different advert on a french website which states that the hosts live there.

So to use your analogy, these other reviewers bought a red coat that was advertised as a red coat, whereas OP bought a red coat that was advertised as blue.

And 93% of people agree that it was advertised as blue in this instance.

EarthlyNightshade · 05/08/2025 10:54

RoseAlone · 05/08/2025 07:01

If you were concerned about your child's safety then you should have checked all of this out before booking. It's clear that there are no barriers or nets around the pool and it's patently obvious the pool cover only maintains heat and keeps the pool clean.
You have a responsibility to do your due diligence in these sort of things, both with the property and where you're going, their customs etc. and unfortunately you didn't. That's not the owner or vrbos fault.

Owners are usually excellent in answering questions particularly about pools etc and it's something I always double check before booking anything.

I get it's not what you expected but as I said before, it's actually very clear. Many of the reviews mention the owners and compliment them on their discretion etc, the pictures are clearly from the upper part of the house.

You can leave all the negative reviews you want but all it will illustrate is that the other 16 families understood what they were booking and you didn't.
It's a bit like buying a red coat and then complaining that you wanted a blue one. Oh and stress doesn't put your back out.

Unfortunately you've chosen to not make the best of beautiful surroundings and a lovely holiday home, that's your choice.

A negative review about an unsafe pool cover and owners coming and going at 1 am would put me off a property. I would not be thinking "oh, the OP should have made more of an effort to enjoy things since everyone else was fine with this". Also, I don't speak Dutch so I might not have bothered to translate them.

OP. sorry about your back, I would follow up about the pool if it breaks the law.

WatchingCometsLand · 05/08/2025 11:06

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WatchingCometsLand · 05/08/2025 11:18

@SisterMargaretta many thanks for the Gites de France recommendation. Will definitely consider that in future. Unless VRBO can come through for us here, and not holding our breaths, I think we're done with them.

@Villamaria thanks for the chargeback info. It was mentioned earlier as well and I'm guessing that's probably what we'll have to do so all relevant advice is very much appreciated.

More generally, I am.beginning to give up on the dream of truly private, safe and stress-free self-catered accommodation. If these places do exist they must be out of our price range, because all we're getting is hassle and conflict.

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Crazyworldmum · 05/08/2025 11:37

I rent similar house all over Europe every year with private pool etc , have done for years and most owners live on site on a smaller home or apartment. As long as the use of what’s described is solely yours I can’t see an issue . The ones that didn’t have people living near would have someone daily to clean pool garden etc . Do you think houses just stay that way alone

WatchingCometsLand · 05/08/2025 11:40

Crazyworldmum · 05/08/2025 11:37

I rent similar house all over Europe every year with private pool etc , have done for years and most owners live on site on a smaller home or apartment. As long as the use of what’s described is solely yours I can’t see an issue . The ones that didn’t have people living near would have someone daily to clean pool garden etc . Do you think houses just stay that way alone

No, we've rented lots of places as well and are familiar with the concept of maintenance. That's actually what we thought was being referenced in those other reviews which mentioned the owners being discreet.

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Crazyworldmum · 05/08/2025 11:47

WatchingCometsLand · 05/08/2025 11:40

No, we've rented lots of places as well and are familiar with the concept of maintenance. That's actually what we thought was being referenced in those other reviews which mentioned the owners being discreet.

Honestly seems to me you are just wanting a refund and finding excuses . None of what you say is enough to ruin a holiday , and I say this as mum to 2 disabled kids myself .I have been renting big private homes for over 16 years and the above is common , specially in France . I also rent a luxury private home myself considerably more than the above as in 4x that price and while nobody lives there the pool and garden people will still come daily , maintenance needs doing daily.

mrsm43s · 05/08/2025 11:50

It's not really reasonable to expect a significant refund after you've had the holiday and made use of the facilities you paid for. I think reporting the pool as not up to safety standards is quite reasonable so it can be made safe for future guests. And leaving an honest reviews is also reasonable.

Crazyworldmum · 05/08/2025 11:50

Villamaria · 05/08/2025 08:38

Have not read full thread but would it be possible to make a chargeback claim via Visa or Mastercard? Keep all screenshots / messages recorded / details of medication to show you were unable to try move accommodation.

If a purchase has gone wrong, the seller will not refund you and you used your debit or credit card to make the purchase, you may have the option to make a chargeback claim through your bank and get your money back. A chargeback, otherwise known as a dispute, is a way for your bank to reclaim money from the seller’s bank when you don’t receive the goods or services you paid for, including if the retailer or supplier has gone out of business.

This might work but the op will need to leave . If she doesn’t then she is using a service and the service is chargeable . If o leave snow she will probably get her money back for the unused days through chargeback

OneCleverEagle · 05/08/2025 12:58

Honestly seems to me you are just wanting a refund and finding excuses .
Objecting to the owners noisily unloading vans below your bedroom windows every night at 1am and loading them again early each morning does not sound like just looking for excuses to me.

GreenLemonade · 05/08/2025 13:00

Crazyworldmum · 05/08/2025 11:37

I rent similar house all over Europe every year with private pool etc , have done for years and most owners live on site on a smaller home or apartment. As long as the use of what’s described is solely yours I can’t see an issue . The ones that didn’t have people living near would have someone daily to clean pool garden etc . Do you think houses just stay that way alone

Well, I've rented houses with pools all over Europe too and never had one where the owners lived on site. Maintenance coming over to clean the pool or work in the garden is completely different to having owners live there permanently.

@WatchingCometsLand - the English version of the ad was clearly misleading, it didn't include vital information. It should have said apartment, not house. And even if you knew the owners lived on the ground floor, the noise and the unsafe pool are not ok.

WatchingCometsLand · 05/08/2025 13:13

Crazyworldmum · 05/08/2025 11:47

Honestly seems to me you are just wanting a refund and finding excuses . None of what you say is enough to ruin a holiday , and I say this as mum to 2 disabled kids myself .I have been renting big private homes for over 16 years and the above is common , specially in France . I also rent a luxury private home myself considerably more than the above as in 4x that price and while nobody lives there the pool and garden people will still come daily , maintenance needs doing daily.

You can say that as authoritatively as you want. 93% of people disagree and endless people on here have said that they'd be furious. As I've already said, We've been renting french holiday properties for decades and have no problem at all with people popping round occasionally for maintenance

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Inthedeep · 05/08/2025 14:25

I’ve rented one holiday rental through VRBO, ironically in the Dordogne too and that was also a bit of a disaster. The house was dirty, not maintained and whilst the listing was accurate as it said the owners didn’t live on site, it failed to mention their mother lived next door. Considering the state the house was in when we got it, the owners wanted to inspect it on checkout to check we’d vacuumed, mopped all the floors etc (none of which was listed in the listing). They ended up being late and we needed to leave so ended up leaving before they arrived. Personally I think if you are paying a premium rate for a holiday let, I don’t think you should be expected to mop etc before leaving (I would always leave in a good state).

Wishing14 · 05/08/2025 14:36

@mrsm43sOf course it’s reasonable to get a significant refund after using the facilities- you are on holiday, with flights or travel booked and it’s not easy to just go home! A reputable company would want to reimburse a customer if they had been misled and suffered a poor experience as a result. It is completely testament to the type of company VRBO is and I will be watching with interest. Most simply, you were mis-sold based on the original advert. I would go down small claims route if they don’t act in good faith and make good their original promise.

Wishing14 · 05/08/2025 14:48

It is also highly deceptive because it is in no way clear that there are two floors on the ad. And it says you need to strip beds and remove rubbish/ personal belongings but that is it! It’s also likely that future guests will be similarly disappointed- so what are the company going to do about that?

mrsm43s · 05/08/2025 14:49

You can't expect to stay there AND get a refund beyond a small goodwill gesture (which I think they've already offered).

If you leave, it would be reasonable to expect them to refund the unused days.

mrsm43s · 05/08/2025 14:50

Wishing14 · 05/08/2025 14:36

@mrsm43sOf course it’s reasonable to get a significant refund after using the facilities- you are on holiday, with flights or travel booked and it’s not easy to just go home! A reputable company would want to reimburse a customer if they had been misled and suffered a poor experience as a result. It is completely testament to the type of company VRBO is and I will be watching with interest. Most simply, you were mis-sold based on the original advert. I would go down small claims route if they don’t act in good faith and make good their original promise.

Hard disagree. If the property was so bad that OP needs refunding, then she could have found somewhere else to stay. By staying there, she's accepted the accommodation.

Jet2holiday · 05/08/2025 15:25

OP has explained that they are injured as a result of staying in the property and therefore cannot move
This increases VRBO's responsibility to refund them and should definitely not be used as an excuse to try to get out of it.

mrsm43s · 05/08/2025 17:00

Jet2holiday · 05/08/2025 15:25

OP has explained that they are injured as a result of staying in the property and therefore cannot move
This increases VRBO's responsibility to refund them and should definitely not be used as an excuse to try to get out of it.

OP has put her back out. That's not "injured as a result of staying in the property " (trying to blame putting her back out as being due to the stress of a less than perfect holiday does make her sound like a CF with her eyes on compensation tbh).

BySassyGreenPanda · 05/08/2025 17:40

WatchingCometsLand · 04/08/2025 15:43

Hi everyone. An update...

Since last writing we've experienced a significant complication, in that, probably due to the stress of all this, I've completely put my back out. We've spent the last few days with me in agony, mostly just trying to sort out food and medicine. This also means that moving somewhere else has unfortunately been out of the question.

We have managed to talk to the owners since then, and have also had contact with VRBO.

We initially wrote to the owners to ask if they could park away from our bedroom window in the mornings and evenings. They wrote back to say that they needed to unload goods in the evening, that "everything is specified in the ad", and didn't respond regarding the mornings. We wrote back reiterating the morning request and informing them that there was nothing in the ad even saying that they lived there. We shared a link to the English (VRBO) advert with them. Still no response to this.

The next day, following a comment on this thread, we wrote to ask if the pool cover was strong enough to keep the children safe and whether we could lock the patio doors at night. At this point they quickly requested to talk to us, describing things as "delicate". During this conversation they confirmed that there were no safety features on the pool and no way of locking the house doors from the inside. They referred to the fact that our children were disabled, saying that they would have refused our booking if we'd told them. I replied that the issue is relevant to all young children.

We reiterated the point about the two different adverts (VRBO Vs ABRITEL), which they seemed to understand. They did offer to park away from the window in the mornings, which is an improvement on the previous situation, but they are still coming back after midnight most nights, sometimes at 1, and our kids/rural France/back injuries are waking us early, so we're still pretty shattered. I'm also sleeping with one eye open due to the possibility of one of the kids making it outside to the pool during the night

In addition to the above, they've also written to us saying that we have to fully clean the property or face a fine of €80, and that the house needs to be ready for an inventory an hour before checkout. They have repeated that this was "specified in the ad". The VRBO ad we saw doesn't mention any of this and again, we'd never have agreed to it. More to the point, if we can't go to sleep until 1am, I have no idea how we could reasonably clean the entire property and be ready for 9am the next day, before a long drive home. It won't be safe.

During this time I've also made contact with VRBO. First impressions are not encouraging. The first person I spoke to tried to dismiss my complaint because, they claimed, the owners had provided everything listed in the description. They also seemed to believe that because the photograph of the pool with a soft cover was provided, any safety concerns were irrelevant. I asked to speak to manager at this point, who suggested that he might be able to refund $120 for the noise disturbance, i.e. less than 3% refund. I laughed at this tbh. He also asked for a photo of the pool, I'm not sure why. I haven't got round to it yet but I will, and can update you all on the outcome.

If anyone has any advice regarding all of this, please do let me know. I'm feeling really stressed and now anticipating a conflict at checkout, on top of everything else. I hate dealing with this in the last few precious days on holiday with my kids, and am feeling really despondent.

Oh and I'll also be sharing this thread with VRBO, in case anyone wants to communicate their opinion with the company!

OP, have a look at point 3 of the 'France Host Rules' section on the VRBO website. It refers to swimming pools.

You might not be able to get them for omitting that you don't have exclusive use. However they stupidly admitted there are no safety measures in place. I haven't read the whole document so I'd suggest you check it out yourselves.

Work out what they should be doing and gather photo/video evidence to show they aren't. Be discrete. Then report them . You don't need to do it straight away. You can do it when you return.

dynamiccactus · 05/08/2025 17:48

I think the noise and the safety or lack of it regarding the pool are the key issues.

I know about the "Zweifamilienhaus" type thing in Germany where you have one big house which effectively has two families living on top of each other, rather than at the side of each other, like our semis. But I don't think they'd ever describe one floor as "entire house" so I still think it's misleading, even if those sorts of properties are found in France as well.

Sue763 · 05/08/2025 18:01

These are the check out instructions on the site

The host requires you to complete the following before checking out:
Strip any used beds and gather used towels
Remove personal items, remove leftover food and drinks and take out the rubbish
Failure to complete these may result in a negative review from the host.

Absolutely no mention of a fine.

IME 'entire home' isn't the same as 'entire house', it just means no shared spaces (on airbnb at least). BUT the whole thing is very misleading because it says 'entire home' and then describes it as a country house. It should say it's the top floor of a country house and should also mention that the owners live there too.

The vans coming and unloading at midnight would piss me right off - what time do they leave in the morning? A holiday should be restful, not like this! The pool being unsafe and the doors not locking are not ok at all.

Putting your back out though doesn't appear to have anything to do with the property unless you fell down poorly maintained steps or something. I would not be bringing that up because it's unfortunate but nothing to do with the holiday or property by the sounds of it. That just makes you sound like a CF.

Moanranger · 05/08/2025 18:01

Looking at the advert, the red flag is no photos at all of front of rental. Clearly they didn’t want to show the garage doors & white, industrial style vans! I am sure you now know or have learned this, but we always google earth the s**t out of any place we plan to stay, looking for discos, bars, abattoirs, etc in vicinity. Even then we have been caught out. Lesson learned, but I would hate the coming & goings, & I sleep with ear plugs!

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