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To have expected that the owners of this holiday let would not be living in the building.

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WatchingCometsLand · 29/07/2025 10:42

^https://www.vrbo.com/en-gb/p1975005a^

We spent 3k on this holiday (our first in years). Turns out that we get the top floor and the owners live below. They enter and exit with their vans via two garage doors immediately below our bedroom windows, through the garden.

Were we unreasonable to have expected this to be stated in the advertisement?

The noise is particularly problematic - we have been woken late at night and then first thing in the morning.

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ChaliceinWonderland · 04/08/2025 17:37

3k??? Mamma mia. Swap for a luxury hotel next time, they are raking it in.

ButterCrackers · 04/08/2025 17:38

WatchingCometsLand · 04/08/2025 15:43

Hi everyone. An update...

Since last writing we've experienced a significant complication, in that, probably due to the stress of all this, I've completely put my back out. We've spent the last few days with me in agony, mostly just trying to sort out food and medicine. This also means that moving somewhere else has unfortunately been out of the question.

We have managed to talk to the owners since then, and have also had contact with VRBO.

We initially wrote to the owners to ask if they could park away from our bedroom window in the mornings and evenings. They wrote back to say that they needed to unload goods in the evening, that "everything is specified in the ad", and didn't respond regarding the mornings. We wrote back reiterating the morning request and informing them that there was nothing in the ad even saying that they lived there. We shared a link to the English (VRBO) advert with them. Still no response to this.

The next day, following a comment on this thread, we wrote to ask if the pool cover was strong enough to keep the children safe and whether we could lock the patio doors at night. At this point they quickly requested to talk to us, describing things as "delicate". During this conversation they confirmed that there were no safety features on the pool and no way of locking the house doors from the inside. They referred to the fact that our children were disabled, saying that they would have refused our booking if we'd told them. I replied that the issue is relevant to all young children.

We reiterated the point about the two different adverts (VRBO Vs ABRITEL), which they seemed to understand. They did offer to park away from the window in the mornings, which is an improvement on the previous situation, but they are still coming back after midnight most nights, sometimes at 1, and our kids/rural France/back injuries are waking us early, so we're still pretty shattered. I'm also sleeping with one eye open due to the possibility of one of the kids making it outside to the pool during the night

In addition to the above, they've also written to us saying that we have to fully clean the property or face a fine of €80, and that the house needs to be ready for an inventory an hour before checkout. They have repeated that this was "specified in the ad". The VRBO ad we saw doesn't mention any of this and again, we'd never have agreed to it. More to the point, if we can't go to sleep until 1am, I have no idea how we could reasonably clean the entire property and be ready for 9am the next day, before a long drive home. It won't be safe.

During this time I've also made contact with VRBO. First impressions are not encouraging. The first person I spoke to tried to dismiss my complaint because, they claimed, the owners had provided everything listed in the description. They also seemed to believe that because the photograph of the pool with a soft cover was provided, any safety concerns were irrelevant. I asked to speak to manager at this point, who suggested that he might be able to refund $120 for the noise disturbance, i.e. less than 3% refund. I laughed at this tbh. He also asked for a photo of the pool, I'm not sure why. I haven't got round to it yet but I will, and can update you all on the outcome.

If anyone has any advice regarding all of this, please do let me know. I'm feeling really stressed and now anticipating a conflict at checkout, on top of everything else. I hate dealing with this in the last few precious days on holiday with my kids, and am feeling really despondent.

Oh and I'll also be sharing this thread with VRBO, in case anyone wants to communicate their opinion with the company!

Go to the town hall tomorrow and report the pool. Take photos and videos. The townhall might direct you to the police as this is legal. Go in person. Don’t worry if you don’t speak French it will be ok. Use a translate app. Report the business as well - I wonder if it’s registered? The townhall can check into this. The swimming pool protection is a legal requirement for all pools. The French version does not mention goods unloading.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/08/2025 17:41

The French version also says the owners live on site but are "discret", which means they're not supposed to be disturbing you. So the reality doesn't match even the French description, let alone the English one.

I would put a stop on your credit card and tell them to go swing for the cleaning fee.

drspouse · 04/08/2025 17:41

Did you get all the rooms in the pictures? It shows a dining area next to the patio/pool.
And were the owners using the pool too? It says private pool.

AlphaApple · 04/08/2025 18:03

Definitely cancel your credit card so they can’t take any money for cleaning. What a nightmare!

WatchingCometsLand · 04/08/2025 18:30

drspouse · 04/08/2025 17:41

Did you get all the rooms in the pictures? It shows a dining area next to the patio/pool.
And were the owners using the pool too? It says private pool.

Yes we got all the rooms, we just didn't get a house, or privacy, or peace or sleep. The owners do not use the pool so it's private in that sense. But not in the sense that their van passes right next to the pool every time they leave or enter the building.

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rookiemere · 04/08/2025 18:31

It is quite common in France to expect your guests to clean and to inspect to ensure it’s done. Even when I have already paid the cleaning fee I was berated for not leaving the property fully cleaned. However they should at least state this on the instructions. Your experience has put me right off VRBO, Airbnb is usually fairly detailed about these things and the property description.

Campingisnexttogodliness · 04/08/2025 18:36

We turned up to our very rural holiday cottage on a Scottish island to see the owner washing up from our kitchen window... And 2 large fucking outside ddogs +11 puppies barked and whimpered all night for 2 sold weeks.
We declined first dibs on the following years booking..

Lifestooshort6591 · 04/08/2025 22:02

They have been really deceitful imo. It says over and over 'house'not a flat. Complain. Good luck.

Zellycat · 04/08/2025 22:03

Leave a turd in the cistern

Beachtastic · 04/08/2025 22:05

Zellycat · 04/08/2025 22:03

Leave a turd in the cistern

Or post it to Vrbo customer service!

NCTDN · 04/08/2025 22:23

Do vrbo have a page on twitter? If so I’d be posting on there.

londongirl12 · 04/08/2025 22:49

It also says rooms open to patios. Do all the rooms do this?

beetr00 · 05/08/2025 00:26

"If anyone has any advice regarding all of this, please do let me know. I'm feeling really stressed and now anticipating a conflict at checkout, on top of everything else."

@WatchingCometsLand I posted this earlier in your thread, there's a fb group specifically dedicated to bad experiences with VRBO, has much useful info.

The exact post I've linked is a success story wrt VRBO issues. Sadly, it seems you may be in for the long haul.

Jorgua · 05/08/2025 05:56

"Entire home" to me just means a whole flat, house or apartment rather than sharing rooms in a dwelling. They're not at fault there. But it shouldn't have come up as a "house" coupled with 'entire home." That sucks. And they sound very inconsiderate and a bit shit in how they've dealt with your requests.
Really sorry to hear about your back and that you're in so much pain.

CatherinedeBourgh · 05/08/2025 06:20

Requiring you to clean is standard in France. It is also the law in France that all pools must be securable in a way that children under 5 cannot get in. That means fencing all round, an alarm or a fairly robust cover. The covers have to be certified to the required standard.

If they don't have that, they are breaking the law and although no one enforces it on private properties, in a holiday let they can certainly be fined. That's probably why you are being asked for a photo of the pool, and what you can expect to get money back for. I would be focussing the fuss you make on that.

RoseAlone · 05/08/2025 06:31

It's very common in these sort of places. You can tell that it its only the upstairs of the house from the pictures and the reviews are pretty clear too. Look more carefully next time

RoseAlone · 05/08/2025 06:49

Jorgua · 05/08/2025 05:56

"Entire home" to me just means a whole flat, house or apartment rather than sharing rooms in a dwelling. They're not at fault there. But it shouldn't have come up as a "house" coupled with 'entire home." That sucks. And they sound very inconsiderate and a bit shit in how they've dealt with your requests.
Really sorry to hear about your back and that you're in so much pain.

They're not sharing rooms. They do have the entire property that was advertised.

Icebreakhell · 05/08/2025 06:53

CatherinedeBourgh · 05/08/2025 06:20

Requiring you to clean is standard in France. It is also the law in France that all pools must be securable in a way that children under 5 cannot get in. That means fencing all round, an alarm or a fairly robust cover. The covers have to be certified to the required standard.

If they don't have that, they are breaking the law and although no one enforces it on private properties, in a holiday let they can certainly be fined. That's probably why you are being asked for a photo of the pool, and what you can expect to get money back for. I would be focussing the fuss you make on that.

The advert says all op needs to do is remove bedding and towels and put rubbish in the bin. There is nothing about cleaning.

Does this mean French rentals are cleaned by previous tenants and not professional cleaners? This is adding to my reasons for not going back to France.

Op, don’t clean the place. Call up your credit card company and put a stop on it. I’ve booked plenty through Vrbo and this is a disgrace!

RoseAlone · 05/08/2025 07:01

If you were concerned about your child's safety then you should have checked all of this out before booking. It's clear that there are no barriers or nets around the pool and it's patently obvious the pool cover only maintains heat and keeps the pool clean.
You have a responsibility to do your due diligence in these sort of things, both with the property and where you're going, their customs etc. and unfortunately you didn't. That's not the owner or vrbos fault.

Owners are usually excellent in answering questions particularly about pools etc and it's something I always double check before booking anything.

I get it's not what you expected but as I said before, it's actually very clear. Many of the reviews mention the owners and compliment them on their discretion etc, the pictures are clearly from the upper part of the house.

You can leave all the negative reviews you want but all it will illustrate is that the other 16 families understood what they were booking and you didn't.
It's a bit like buying a red coat and then complaining that you wanted a blue one. Oh and stress doesn't put your back out.

Unfortunately you've chosen to not make the best of beautiful surroundings and a lovely holiday home, that's your choice.

SisterMargaretta · 05/08/2025 07:15

The English listing on Vrbo is completely misleading. I have read the French one and it says that the owners live on-site in an apartment and also details the cleaning fee. Paying for end-of-stay cleaning or doing it yourself is completely standard in French properties but should be clearly communicated beforehand. It's also not uncommon for owners to live somewhere on-site or nearby so I always check the listing carefully.

In this case, I think you need to complain to Vrbo and get them to refund the cleaning fee as they have a dedicated English web page and it hasn't published the information correctly. Do you have a booking contract with terms and conditions?

I always book properties through Gites de France rather than via Vrbo or Air BnB which deal privately with the owners. The English language version of their website is pretty good. I have also learned to email the owners in advance of arriving to check if end-of-stay cleaning needs to be pre-booked as I was once caught out by this.

SarahMused · 05/08/2025 07:17

I think RoseAlone comment is unfair. The least you can expect when you rent a holiday home is that they don’t break the law. I certainly wouldn’t expect to have to check that. If you want recompense threaten to report them as the French take swimming pool safety very seriously after some horrible cases of children drowning.
it is a misleading advert in that it says ‘entire home’ and ‘house’ in combination. We have rented properties in Switzerland regularly and it has always specified whether it is a whole chalet or an apartment and whether the owner lives on site so you know exactly what you are getting.

Cupboardlovely · 05/08/2025 07:18

If it woke me up more than once, I would be annoyed.

AvidJadeShaker · 05/08/2025 07:40

Contact VRBO on any every platform available not just about the translation but the French door lock and the pool.
Send them photos of both.

Brightstar5 · 05/08/2025 08:09

Take screenshots of the entire advert in case they change anything. I’d be furious

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