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To have expected that the owners of this holiday let would not be living in the building.

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WatchingCometsLand · 29/07/2025 10:42

^https://www.vrbo.com/en-gb/p1975005a^

We spent 3k on this holiday (our first in years). Turns out that we get the top floor and the owners live below. They enter and exit with their vans via two garage doors immediately below our bedroom windows, through the garden.

Were we unreasonable to have expected this to be stated in the advertisement?

The noise is particularly problematic - we have been woken late at night and then first thing in the morning.

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Delphiniumandlupins · 30/07/2025 16:29

Rather than falling out with the owners get them onside in complaining to vrbo. They are going to get more complaints if they take bookings from other English speakers. It is vrbo who have failed to include vital information which the owners provided. Once they realise you're on the same side they might be more willing to accommodate your requests for quiet.

Trueloveneverdies · 30/07/2025 16:46

Hope you managed to get this sorted, it sounds like a stressful situation!

DrPrunesqualer · 30/07/2025 22:18

Owners have played a blinder here

Entire home - technically yes as it’s the top floor flat.
Naughty

However the images show a bbq on a raised balcony, not ground floor
You can see railings/ balcony from the dining rm image too
The aerial view shows a much larger house well in excess of the accommodation you are offered on the site

I've used booking.com for years and check everything. With this one I would have queried the bbq and balcony and who else lived in the building.

Theyre sneaky owners I’d say but technically haven’t lied

Alexahelp · 30/07/2025 22:46

Delphiniumandlupins · 30/07/2025 16:29

Rather than falling out with the owners get them onside in complaining to vrbo. They are going to get more complaints if they take bookings from other English speakers. It is vrbo who have failed to include vital information which the owners provided. Once they realise you're on the same side they might be more willing to accommodate your requests for quiet.

Yes I’m not surprised the hosts are a bit baffled, the French version looks fairly honest. Do you speak French? (Or mind doing a translate app convo if not!) Worth a chat to say you understand the crossed wires and can you work together on it, which might allow you to salvage some more peace and have more chance of a good outcome from Vrbo.

330ml · 30/07/2025 22:47

Theyre sneaky owners I’d say but technically haven’t lied

If they don’t speak English they probably don’t even realise it isn’t accurate.

The French listing makes it clear they live underneath.

DrPrunesqualer · 30/07/2025 22:59

330ml · 30/07/2025 22:47

Theyre sneaky owners I’d say but technically haven’t lied

If they don’t speak English they probably don’t even realise it isn’t accurate.

The French listing makes it clear they live underneath.

i See they made a different description now
So not sneaky

but I’m used to questionable descriptions so I’d have checked why the images and descriptions don’t stack up

but agree. Not sneaky

VaccineSticker · 30/07/2025 23:15

Grey area- sorry.
You have the entire home with separate access door. The noise is not okay though.

Portakalkedi · 31/07/2025 08:46

Tartanboots · 29/07/2025 14:19

Technically it is an entire home as you're not sharing, but it is misleading as it looks like you are getting a detached house.
I booked a French Vrbo holiday let last year, it was also selective with the truth, and I was shocked that the owners left a review of me on the site (specifically of my cleaning standards) at the end! Thankfully I had actually made an effort but still only got 4 stars not 5. I didn't realise it was like air bnb in that respect. Not my idea of a relaxing holiday, being rated on my housekeeping skills.

I must confess I have never used Airbnb etc, mostly because of what I've read on MN about having to pay for cleaning, but also having to clean it yourself for fear of bad reviews, and then people not leaving (justified) negative reviews as they will then get one in return. I don't get it. Not leaving accurate reviews is doing a disservice to other potential customers. If you can't tell the truth as you don't want a negative review yourself, why not use a different email/registration next time as a 'new' customer? The whole system is terrible and relies on threat!

SwedishEdith · 31/07/2025 08:56

Yeah, the gushiness of Airbnb reviews is really off-putting so you still need to scruinise the photos and ask questions. Hard to have another email account for it though as linked to your phone number, as I understand. My partner does the Airbnb bookings and I use Booking dot com. He just doesn't leave a review if it wasn't all it seemed. I suppose gaps between dates of reviews is also revealing.

SpaceRaccoon · 31/07/2025 09:17

You have the entire home with separate access door. The noise is not okay though.

Thing is though if you booked it hoping to have privacy and solitude in a rural area, it's obviously going to detract from the experience having the owners on site. And the noise is not on, regardless.

ButterCrackers · 31/07/2025 09:25

They don’t mention using vans with the vehicle exit below the bedroom and making noise in either description. This applies to the French and English version. I bet they don’t get returning guests. Photo/video it, complain to the letting company. Ask for a refund.

AvidJadeShaker · 31/07/2025 09:28

It’s definitely VBOS’ fault for giving the wrong description on the UK site.

Movinghouseatlast · 31/07/2025 09:29

Portakalkedi · 31/07/2025 08:46

I must confess I have never used Airbnb etc, mostly because of what I've read on MN about having to pay for cleaning, but also having to clean it yourself for fear of bad reviews, and then people not leaving (justified) negative reviews as they will then get one in return. I don't get it. Not leaving accurate reviews is doing a disservice to other potential customers. If you can't tell the truth as you don't want a negative review yourself, why not use a different email/registration next time as a 'new' customer? The whole system is terrible and relies on threat!

You see, this pisses me off because its not true that you are asked to clean. I advertise on Air BnB and don't ask people to clean. I've stayed in lots of properties advertised on Air BnB and not been asked to clean either.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of properties on Air BnB and maybe a few owners ask people to clean up after themselves and yet it has become a 'truth' that they all do! Some owners ask you to put the rubbish out, wash your dishes but I've never seen a listing where a full clean is required.

As an owner you absolutely dread a 4 star review as if you get too many your listing can be removed and thence your livelihood. So everything required needs to be upfront in the listing before someone books.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2025 09:56

YANBU. That is not obvious at all from the listing.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 31/07/2025 10:07

WatchingCometsLand · 29/07/2025 21:43

So, I generally agree that it looks like the main issue is with the English translation of the listing. Had we been given all the information contained in the French version (maybe the Dutch version too?), we just would not have booked this property. But the question is, who's responsible for the bad English translation? Who wrote it, or generated it, who confirmed it was acceptable when it clearly wasn't, etc. I'm going to try and speak to the owners tomorrow, and then I'll write to Vrbo. @crosscross @LumpyandBumps could one of you link to the French version that you found, please? Sadly, I'm not really optimistic about getting anywhere with Vrbo or owners. @Cloudsandbees could you give any more info on credit card chargebacks? How do these work?

https://www.vrbo.com/fr-ca/location/p1975005a?destination=1975005&selected=65995060&flexibility=0DAY&d1=2025-08-09&startDate=2025-08-09&d2=2025-08-16&endDate=2025-08-16&adults=2

To get it in French you have to select Canada as your region for some reason.

The French description is as follows:

Cette maison, située à AURIAC DU PERIGORD, au coeur du Périgord Noir (aux mille et un châteaux), est idéale pour 6 personnes. Vous aurez à disposition 3 Chambres, une piscine privée (11.5mx5m), un terrain arboré clos, une terrasse et une connexion WI-FI. LOCATION DU SAMEDI AU SAMEDI
Son salon offre un cadre parfait pour se détendre après une journée passée à découvrir la région centrée sur la préhistoire et la gastronomie.
Installez vous dans le canapé avec un bon livre ou détendez vous près de la piscine, bercé par le silence de la campagne périgourdine ou profitez des équipements mis à votre disposition comme la télévision par satellite écran plat, une connexion WI-FI , une colonne de son avec Bluetooth.
Vous pourrez préparer de délicieuses recettes dans la cuisine toute équipée puis le déguster autour de la table prévue pour 8 convives ou dehors sur la terrasse vue sur les étangs, ou bien au bord de la piscine à l'ombre d'un kiosque équipé d'un four à pain. La maison possède 3 chambres confortables (dont 2 avec dressing). 1 chambre dispose d'un lit king-size, 1 chambre lit standard et 1 chambre lit superposé. Vous aurez une salle de bain équipée d'une baignoire et douche à l'italienne avec toilettes séparés.
La maison dispose d'un ventilateur, d'une plancha, et lave-vaisselle, de matériel de repassage, de produits d'entretien. Des jeux pour la piscine, des ballons, boules de pétanque, jeu de Molkky et table de ping-pong n'attendent que vous. Vous devrez tout simplement poser vos valises et apporter vos serviettes de toilettes . Les couettes sont fournies et draps.
Laissez la maison dans l'état de propreté que vous l'avez trouvé à votre arrivée . Des produits nettoyants seront à disposition. Un montant de 80€ sera demandé pour non-respect .
Vous pourrez vous garer sur place dans un espace de stationnement privé. Les animaux de compagnie sont acceptés.
Vos hôtes seront sur place , très discrets, dans un appartement situé au sous sol, toujours présents pour le moindre service.
Et pour dernière infos, nous fonctionnons comme toute location : du Samedi au Samedi.
A bientôt !!!

As you can see, in the French version it does say that the hosts live on site.

However, I would not say there has been an issue with the translation. It simply doesn't say this in the English version, which is much less detailed. Even a Deepl or Google translate style translation into English should have captured this information, which I agree is very important and completely changes things for you.

Also, the French version talks about how you will be able to enjoy the peace and quiet of the countryside. Even that is inaccurate if the hosts are making noise late at night.

Even if you could reasonably be expected to read the French version as well as the English version before booking, you can't actually read the French version unless you switch your region to Canada, which then brings you back to the home page of the site and you have to specifically search for the property again.

I would say it is unreasonable to expect you to seek out the French language description of the property, and entirely reasonable of you to expect to be given the same information in English as in French.

I would politely ask for a partial refund on the grounds that you would never have booked the property if you had been given all the relevant information.

If you don't get one, wait until after you have left and then leave a very detailed review.

Also, the photo showing the front of the property has been deliberately angled to conceal the fact that there is a driveway underneath the accommodation.

Biskieboo · 31/07/2025 10:10

I too would be pissed right off about that - not having busybody owners knocking about is a sine qua non for a decent holiday as far as I'm concerned. While I have experienced holidays where the owners lived in an adjacent property and were genuinely non-intrusive, I've also had experiences akin to holidaying next to Hitler. I am now obsessive about checking places out on Google earth/streetview/foreign language sites to see if it looks like they might be in the vicinity. I would have ruled the OP's one out on that basis, but really you shouldn't have to be Columbo to ascertain something as basic as it being a top floor flat with a full-time residence beneath.

blunderbuss12 · 01/08/2025 10:21

Any updates @WatchingCometsLand ? Have been thinking about this thread while on our holiday and hoping everything ok

daleylama · 01/08/2025 12:53

Movinghouseatlast · 29/07/2025 19:54

Oh well you obviously know better than me having read something on Reddit. I bow to your superior knowledge.

Wow, your response was really called for !

NCTDN · 02/08/2025 21:44

@WatchingCometsLandhave you got any further with this?

WatchingCometsLand · 04/08/2025 15:43

Hi everyone. An update...

Since last writing we've experienced a significant complication, in that, probably due to the stress of all this, I've completely put my back out. We've spent the last few days with me in agony, mostly just trying to sort out food and medicine. This also means that moving somewhere else has unfortunately been out of the question.

We have managed to talk to the owners since then, and have also had contact with VRBO.

We initially wrote to the owners to ask if they could park away from our bedroom window in the mornings and evenings. They wrote back to say that they needed to unload goods in the evening, that "everything is specified in the ad", and didn't respond regarding the mornings. We wrote back reiterating the morning request and informing them that there was nothing in the ad even saying that they lived there. We shared a link to the English (VRBO) advert with them. Still no response to this.

The next day, following a comment on this thread, we wrote to ask if the pool cover was strong enough to keep the children safe and whether we could lock the patio doors at night. At this point they quickly requested to talk to us, describing things as "delicate". During this conversation they confirmed that there were no safety features on the pool and no way of locking the house doors from the inside. They referred to the fact that our children were disabled, saying that they would have refused our booking if we'd told them. I replied that the issue is relevant to all young children.

We reiterated the point about the two different adverts (VRBO Vs ABRITEL), which they seemed to understand. They did offer to park away from the window in the mornings, which is an improvement on the previous situation, but they are still coming back after midnight most nights, sometimes at 1, and our kids/rural France/back injuries are waking us early, so we're still pretty shattered. I'm also sleeping with one eye open due to the possibility of one of the kids making it outside to the pool during the night

In addition to the above, they've also written to us saying that we have to fully clean the property or face a fine of €80, and that the house needs to be ready for an inventory an hour before checkout. They have repeated that this was "specified in the ad". The VRBO ad we saw doesn't mention any of this and again, we'd never have agreed to it. More to the point, if we can't go to sleep until 1am, I have no idea how we could reasonably clean the entire property and be ready for 9am the next day, before a long drive home. It won't be safe.

During this time I've also made contact with VRBO. First impressions are not encouraging. The first person I spoke to tried to dismiss my complaint because, they claimed, the owners had provided everything listed in the description. They also seemed to believe that because the photograph of the pool with a soft cover was provided, any safety concerns were irrelevant. I asked to speak to manager at this point, who suggested that he might be able to refund $120 for the noise disturbance, i.e. less than 3% refund. I laughed at this tbh. He also asked for a photo of the pool, I'm not sure why. I haven't got round to it yet but I will, and can update you all on the outcome.

If anyone has any advice regarding all of this, please do let me know. I'm feeling really stressed and now anticipating a conflict at checkout, on top of everything else. I hate dealing with this in the last few precious days on holiday with my kids, and am feeling really despondent.

Oh and I'll also be sharing this thread with VRBO, in case anyone wants to communicate their opinion with the company!

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LumpyandBumps · 04/08/2025 16:05

They are risking a serious fine €45,000 for not having appropriate pool security

https://www.beauchamp.com/blog/swimming-pool-laws-rules-france/

How do they propose to ‘fine’ you?

The advertisement only said about bedding towels and bins as far as I recall.

To be honest for €80 I’d have the longest sleep possible and just leave ( not suggesting leaving it in a state, just clean, but not cleaned).

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WordsFailMeYetAgain · 04/08/2025 16:20

I wonder how they propose fining you if it's not clean! I've never heard of this before and frankly it's a bloody cheek to expect someone to thoroughly clean a property before leaving, that's what a proportion of the booking fee is for, surely.

As for the pool, I would be the same as you, great find @LumpyandBumps that should shut them up.

OP, if you get no joy when you get back, I would post them an appropriate review. Others need to be warned about this.

So sorry your holiday has been a let-down, you must be equally frustrated, disappointed and livid. I know I would be.

Beachtastic · 04/08/2025 16:31

Oh OP, what a rotten holiday. In a few years' time you will look back on this and laugh, but it's really a horrible way to be spending your time when you should be able to relax and enjoy your time there.

To Vrbo: I am never going to book a holiday with you.

SwedishEdith · 04/08/2025 17:32

They probably said it's "delicate" because they're not complying with the law in France re keeping pools safe. I would take photos of that and send to Vrbo and, if necessary, post in your review.

Do not clean. I'd be tempted to book a hotel en route and go the day before your planned leaving day.

blunderbuss12 · 04/08/2025 17:34

Oh OP this sounds incredibly frustrating. So sorry to hear about your back too. I'd do what the English and says re checkout, and tell the host to take it up with VRBO if they are unhappy about it.

You are definitely past the point where you've made reasonable attempts to sort out the situation. I'd be contacting credit card company at this point as VRBO are less likely to try and fob them off and they can do the leg work on your behalf