To wonder why there isn’t more uproar about Sudan?

[AngeloMysterioso]

Sudan- where the actual worst humanitarian crisis in the world is happening right now. War, starvation, displacement of millions of people, suffering on a scale like nowhere else in the world. And yet it’s being virtually ignored. There have been maybe half a dozen threads about Sudan on mumsnet in the last year or so, compared with dozens discussing Israel/Gaza. On social media, for every one post I see mentioning Sudan, I have probably seen 20 or more about Gaza. Save The Children, for example, has posted seventeen times about Gaza in the past month and only once about Sudan.

Why? Why is Sudan being ignored while such a glaring light is being shone on Gaza? Is it because there are no Jewish people to blame for the Sudanese conflict? Or because the people suffering are black?

Sure, they’re definitely obsessed with Israel and nowhere else for purely unfathomable reasons.

I actually think it's very unnatural for us to be informed of and involved in wars and disasters that are far out of our natural sphere of concern.

I don't think it does the human psyche any good to try to take a global level of suffering on board. Imo, that helps cause wars, not prevent them.

For me I think you’re right that isn’t being discussed enough but I do feel much more complicit in what’s happening in Gaza in that the money I pay in taxes is directly funding atrocities committed by Isreal, the government that I voted for supplies them with arms, the city I live in is home to an Israeli owned arms factory, the university I went to takes money from Israeli benefactors and has been complicit in silencing those who have protested about the links (although these two facts are unrelated!). I think I just feel more of a responsibility to speak up about this than I do about other disasters happening globally although you are right and I should speak out about what is happen elsewhere more too.

You don’t care about Sudan. At least woman up and admit that.

If you genuinely did you would raise the topic in and of itself. Not only raise it as a means to stop people talking about Gaza.

Stop pretending otherwise.

Ok. 😄

People are usually told to start their own thread if they feel strongly about Sudan and other places with humanitarian crises. This is a thread about Sudan.

Start your own thread if you want to talk about something else.

You’re proving me right.

When the invasion of the Ukraine happened and some of us asked why there wasn't a queue of people lined up to take families from Sudan, we were shouted down and told we should feel ashamed. I'm no fan of Zelensky and have been called names on here over that. When we think of our daily lives, so much of it comes from Africa. I mentioned this morning that children across the Congo and Sudan could only dream of the life Ukrainian children have and been handed. But then we shouldn't be pitting children against each other.

I'm glad to see that there has been some reporting on the ethnic cleansing of the Druze in Yemen, a terrible and shocking atrocity. I think that there only seems capacity to deal with a certain amount of horror, perhaps?

Read OP.

Ok.

Large chunks of the people in the UK who support Palestine are of Irish extraction and quite literally grew up supporting other nations burdened by British partition. There's a massive natural solidarity there that has got the square root of fuck all to do with Jews.

Absolute bollocks. The endless marches, the ceaseless one-eyed condemnation of Israel and outright antisemitic statements are not from a movement with “large chunks” of people with Irish heritage.

Truly pathetic.

To be honest, most non-Jews will never accept the depth of anti Jew hatred so endemic in our society. They always say we're making it up or imagining it, and quite often that line of rhetoric leads to accusations of celebrating or wanting to see the deaths of babies. I'm not even sure there's much point going over it again; it's hugely entrenched. I'm tired of asking questions and being told to justify my Jewish self.

I'm aware of, and donate to causes that try to alleviate the genocide in Sudan, as well as supporting Tigrayan women victims of genocide. But that would never be enough for some.

I think you mean Druze in Syria.

Sorry, yes I do. Thank you for the correction.
In all honesty it's getting bewildering, because I was reading about Yemen as well!

This is literally a thread about Sudan, where I have listed several steps I have taken to try to do my part to help the people of Sudan. For my part, I don’t want people to stop talking about Gaza. I just wish more people were talking about Sudan. Yes I have drawn comparisons with Gaza only to highlight how in contrast Sudan is being virtually ignored even though the situation there is considerably worse. If you want to attach your own agenda to that then that’s your issue, but don’t presume to state for me what my own motivations are when I’ve already said it myself.

I’m of Irish extraction via my Cork-born father and I haven’t found that to be the case

The only reason Gaza had a light shine on it was because of Hamas and the bombings. Gaza has been suffering for years under Israel’s treatment.

Your post is fucking awful to be honest. You didn’t come on to highlight what is happening. You didn’t suggest what people could do to help or even say what steps you’ll be taking.

You came on like a crying child, angry that people give a shit and calling people racists. Sounds like you only had one agenda for this thread.

Haven't found what to be the case? It's absolutely beyond any doubt, especially in Scotland.

That's not what I said though is it? I was clearly and unambiguously demonstrating that there are other reasons for supporting Palestine that have got nothing to do with any feelings about Jewish people. Actively going out of your way to try to misrepresent someone's comment is I would say more sly than pathetic.

Are you saying that other people's suffering is less deserving because of Gaza?

There's no great sense of identity politics to be exploited here for political gain or grift, that's why. The media/establishment gets a great kickback from dividing public opinion in society up into Pally vs Israel supporters. It's like the old Protestant/Catholic divison in NI. British elities love sowing discord instead of reaching compromise. Social media, traditional media, Labour, Reform and Tories get good mileage out of this. How much has Trump recieved in brown envelopes and votes in the last 5 years? One wonders.

In the Middle East, as with Ukraine vs Russia, there's plenty of money to be made and stock exchange bonanzas to be yielded from arming countries and selling weapons. War makes big, big money for the US. Considering how debt ridden their economy is, both conflicts have been very beneficial for them.

Sudan doesn't have the social cache of immaculate, glitzy, glamourous manicured land for Trump & co to build gold courses and holiday resorts on. The west hasn't been fighting over who owns what in Sudan for 120 years. Nigel Farage, Starmer etc can't gain votes from talking about Sudanese suffering. Same with the Rwandan genocide. If the Western elites can't profit from it wholesale then they aren't interested.

As with everything in life OP, follow the money to find the answer!!!

That’s exactly what you said.

Sudan isn’t trendy enough. Half the people going on about Gaza didn’t even know it existed a couple of years ago, let alone understand the history.

and people love to hate the Jewish.