Malnourished starving children in Gaza

[babyproblems]

The photos that appeared this morning on my news updates of mothers holding their children, dying of starvation and extreme malnutrition in Gaza have absolutely broken my heart. I am not particularly news focused, of course I’ve followed it all but this morning it has stopped me in my tracks and took my breath away. As a mother of a 3yo DS who is sleeping peacefully in his bedroom, whilst we have a fridge full of food downstairs and a life of peace, I feel so sorry that those poor mothers and children are living this hell so undeserved and also so so lucky we have the peace we do…
I don’t really know what the point of my post is; I suppose I’m screaming When Will This End inside and want to tell everyone to not take the freedom and peace we have for granted; use your right to vote and use your privilege to make informed choices that steer the world away from conflict towards peace…

Sending a handhold to all the mothers’ whose lives are not being lived in peace and whose children are suffering 🕊️💔

I imagine to reach a wider audience and highlight to those who aren't automatically wanting to be involved in the conversation the dire situation being experienced in Gaza? To allow those who aren't as aware to be made aware?

And if you ever want to know how a country has actually responded to humanitarian crisis on their border as aposed to marching in their capital city with flags or posting on social media then Google Jordan and migration.

Hamas actively want their citizens to die for PR reasons. Hamas are not starving, but they let the babies starve? Their evil, sick mindset is not really comprehensible for the majority of people.

Exactly. Discussing humanitarian crisis, no, get the threads sorted on a social media platform.
Life goes on, I suppose..

Do you maybe recall the condemnation at the time because I do. Do you realize it was almost 2 years ago? Given your concern for children killed in this conflict can you name a Palestinian child killed in the war? Or a family killed?

The privelege in the media of the coverage of their individual tragedy is that I can easily picture their faces and many hours of media time were devoted to that 1 family. There isn't enough media time in the world to dedicate that amount of cov rage to each child and family murdered in Gaza by the Israeli government. Each individual gazan baby is as important as each individual Israeli baby, or should be, but little white babies get a lot more coverage than little brown babies.

The ideology is entrenched in both sides. Israel is better at the extermination at the moment, but Hamas would do exactly the same if they had power to do it. Both sides see it as a fight for survival that doesn't have the boundaries we like to think there should be.

Israel share the responsibility for the starving babies. Using hunger as a weapon of war is evil and sick you are right there. It's hard to comprehend how the Israeli Gov are allowing this to happen and yet there are people on this thread justifying it - which is totally mindblowing.

I can imagine one's mind does get totally blown, when it's overloaded with one way data.

Where are you getting your information from? Please share your sources.

I suppose some people have enough humanity to feel sorry for starving children without any prompt by an external actor.

Not sure if people will be able to read it but Hayley Freedman wrote a good article about it in the Times.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/b22a0061-3998-4610-9e16-571034071bd4?shareToken=6cdfcda3e70200ba88fa42a27f516811

The Israeli government have an obligation to make sure the people in Gaza have food.

Obviously Hamas are utterly appalling, killing all those young people at the music festival and all the other things they have done.

But Gazan babies have nothing to do with Hama's behaviour. As the occupying miltary power Israel are reponsible for the welfare of the civilian population.

They can't wash their hands of it and say Hamas might get some of the food. That's a potential side effect that they need to address. It doesn't absolve them of responsibility.

@Featherruffler

Speaking about blind support….In my observation not a single Muslim in the world ever sides with Israel or Jews in any matter.

That's quite the generalisation considering there are 2bn Muslims.

With some notable exceptions like Mosab Hassan Yousef, Ayan Hirsi Ali et al, they are all staunch antisemites.

Your bigotry is clear to see.

Muslims who live far away from Israel, who have no business with Palestinians whatsoever, stand with them just because they share the same religion. Moroccans, Libyans, Saudis etc..all stand by their brethren. I find it daft and infuriating. This is the very definition of racism and the blind support you are talking about.

And Jewish people worldwide who support Israel? Christians who support Christians? They're all racist?

Yet they bawl their eyes out if Westerners show the same support to Israel. Double standards much?

Sure. I suppose part of that could be due to a current genocide in Palestine and ethnic cleansing in China of Muslims. I'm sure some can't help feeling persecuted.

Not one of them defend democratic values, freedom of speech or anything that Israel stands for. They enjoy these privileges in the West, but interestingly enough express sympathy for a group that denies these very privileges from its own people. Double standards?

You appear to be homogonising 2bn people which isn't very bright.

I bet my royal ass that no Muslim Mumsnetters ever support Israel or have expressed deep condolences for the October 7 attacks. But they want the West to feel sorry for their starving children. Double standards?

That's because you appear to have a dehumanising attitude towards Muslims, see them as a homogenous mass and don't attribute them with humanitarian values. However, dehumanisation goes part and parcel with genocide and ethnic cleansing.

God I love Hadley Freeman.

Totally agree, Goldenbear, and how nice to see your measured comment

We can indeed all appreciate that innocent children are suffering unthinkable circumstances, and I wonder two things: firstly whether their parents are wondering whether their widespread support of Hamas was really such a good idea now they're seeing the cost, and secondly why it's only these particular children the focus is on

As for the concept of nobody else getting away with atrocities with little condemnation from the west, @Robin67 ... China?
I've mentioned many a time except nobody seems interested - that their filthy regime is effectively colonising huge swathes of Africa, and that the people will stand little chance of finding breast-beating guilt when they expect debt relief, but of course China owns so much that perhaps our leaders can't risk saying anything

Your mere words cannot prove me wrong 😐

I don’t think I’m ready to accept that all Muslim people hate all Jewish people or all Israelis except some ‘notable exceptions’. For starters, I have no idea how many posters on this thread are Jewish or Muslim and how many have agreed or disagreed with various comments. Extrapolate that to the whole population of Muslim people and I think it’s an opinion based on your own feelings bout Muslim people rather than a well reasoned/evidenced fact. Same goes for the statement re Muslim people and their views on democratic values or freedom of speech. You are grouping together a huge number of people and declaring you know their views when clearly you can’t.

There is a difference between having an issue with Israel due to their current actions or because of the history of the region and their interactions with Gaza vs being antisemitic. It is really important that w recognise when arguments are just thinly veiled antisemitism but it’s also important to appreciate why some people might have zero issues with Jewish people and are very firmly anti-Israel.

Blind support on either side is really stupid and dangerous. The fact that people will support a country that has committed war crimes is extremely troubling. It empowers so many others to do exactly the same thing and if and when that happens, we can’t say a thing because we’ve given it the green light.

Not feeling sorry for any starving child regardless of where they come from is inhumane. Suggesting you know the views of pretty much all Muslim people is bizarre and troubling when it’s so negative.

Of course not. Your opinion that 2bn people are all the same is an incontrovertible truth.

My observation is not from the rarefied and anonymous world of Mumsnet but from real life and real people. Social media comments too, which are posted by real people in the real world. We are not living in the 70s anymore when you only knew the opinion of those living close to you and the only news you read was from the tv, radio and the papers.

Why are you blaming Israel when there’s a very big border with Egypt? Where is your condemnation of them?

What’s mind blowing is the lack of anger towards the regime who refuses to surrender and end this war and the suffering of their people- Hamas.

This is what I find hard to understand. Why is the world letting Egypt get away with doing nothing? They are immediate neighbours, they can easily help. What does the Egyptian government know that we don’t, why have they built a wall which puts Trumps to shame?

And why are the other Muslim countries not helping? Why do they not get involved and provide food and medical assistance to the poor children? Surly it’s quicker for the Arab governments to get the children out? Saudi, UAE, Qatar are all very rich countries with superior healthcare, why does the world let them get away with doing nothing - it’s appalling behaviour and they should be ashamed and called out on this.

Perhaps because Egypt has not invaded Gaza and is not the occupying power?

https://www.icrc.org/en/document/ihl-occupying-power-responsibilities-occupied-palestinian-territories

This explains why Israel is responsible rather than Egypt for ensuring the civilaim population of Gaza is fed.

Quite. Why is this Egypt’s problem to solve. I suspect the Egyptian authorities know that if they allowed in refugees, those refugees would never be allowed to return.

Why does the UK not take in all of the Palestinian civilians? It has more involvement in the creation of the situation than Egypt does.

I can just imagine how that would go down with the British public. Like a lead balloon. Though Egypt is somehow expected to step up? Nuts.

There's talk of children in critical condition being treated in the UK.