Malnourished starving children in Gaza

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The photos that appeared this morning on my news updates of mothers holding their children, dying of starvation and extreme malnutrition in Gaza have absolutely broken my heart. I am not particularly news focused, of course I’ve followed it all but this morning it has stopped me in my tracks and took my breath away. As a mother of a 3yo DS who is sleeping peacefully in his bedroom, whilst we have a fridge full of food downstairs and a life of peace, I feel so sorry that those poor mothers and children are living this hell so undeserved and also so so lucky we have the peace we do…
I don’t really know what the point of my post is; I suppose I’m screaming When Will This End inside and want to tell everyone to not take the freedom and peace we have for granted; use your right to vote and use your privilege to make informed choices that steer the world away from conflict towards peace…

Sending a handhold to all the mothers’ whose lives are not being lived in peace and whose children are suffering 🕊️💔

If your criteria for helping Palestinians is
to eradicate all of a nebulous group of people first then you will never help Palestinians.

But I guess that’s the aim

The thing is, while pro-Palestine people will be outraged by their deaths, pro-Israel people will use them for point scoring

This is all untrue

Incorrect. We see it all the time. No protests against Hamas at pro palestine marches.

So what should happen to Hamas? Are they to remain to oppress and starve their people? Wow.

What a disgusting comment.

Yes, the mothers are malnourished! That's why they cant provide milk for their babies.

Ultimately there should be a new election. (Huge undertaking, I know).
The actions of Hamas on October 7th are deplorable and those responsible also belong in front of the ICC, with Netanyahu et.al.
I remember crying when the news reported the Bibas family were dead. I didn't realise how they died until your post. I feel a little sick now to be honest. That is horrible and numbing to hear. It goes without saying that they didn't deserve that. But no child should be murdered or starved. I don't care what their nationality or religion is.

Well said OP

Israel stopped UNRWA who were the biggest distributors of aid, from operating within Israel and occupied East Jerusalem.
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/government-israel-orders-unrwa-vacate-its-premises-occupied-east

But for the most part, the Israeli government is allowing just a tiny amount of very restricted aid into Gaza. And it’s also making it nearly impossible to deliver whatever assistance gets through to the people who need it most.

You can read more about the aid situation here

If your expectation is that people will be protesting Hamas at events that are nothing to do with protesting Hamas then I don’t know what to tell you, other than that your diversion is obvious and not very smart

it’s not Hamas starving the Palestinians. As you well know

Hear hear.

There was worldwide outrage. Rightly so,

The killing of those children was a horrendous tragedy. Are you saying there should be condemnation at marches that are about stopping harm to Gazan civilians? I’m not sure going to a Gaza march which aims to focus on protecting innocent Gazans automatically means you don’t feel exactly the same about the death of innocent Israeli children. Like when horrendous acts happen in the UK to innocent babies. People don’t go out and protest each time they read about it but they certainly feel horrified and/or heartbroken by what has happened.

I think protests tend to happen when something is happening over a prolonged period of time and gains momentum amongst the population or when something significant happens that shocks a large group of people at once. Yes, the death of one child isn’t to be weighed up against the death of another child but when people hear that hundreds or perhaps thousands of children have been killed, it makes sense that they want to do something and options are limited. I understand that the figures from Gaza can be questioned but looking at photos from Gaza, reports from drs who have worked there and hearing about the war crimes committed, it’s not hard to believe that many children have been caught up in this conflict.

In terms of the aid situation, and the suffering of innocent Gazans more generally, are you able to assign any blame to Israel or have they done no wrong in your eyes?

You are brainwashed mate. The people of Gaza are starving and Israel are shooting them at aid centres. Hamas are dickheads, but Israel are committing genocide.

Yes you all need to write to your MP. They have to act of they see people are bothered.

As crackers as it may seem many of the Genocide denying zealots on here seem to believe that Isreal is the real victim.

I guess they will convince themselves of anything 🤦‍♀️

Yes - it’s a perspective I’m genuinely trying to understand by asking for sources for all the ‘facts’ that are being shared by the Pro-Israel posters and I’m also looking for any admission from them that Israel may have got at least some things wrong/have played some role in the suffering/death of innocent people.

I find it impossible to understand the ‘Israel is good’ narrative with all the evidence available to us from international organisations and charities plus the media and no one is offering independent reliable evidence to counter it all. I feel like I must be missing something as it makes no sense to me that people can seemingly blindly support Israel without the evidence to support their opinion/with the heaps of evidence that suggests they have made terrible decisions that have led to a lot of pain and suffering.

I know what you mean. I can’t decide- is it people who genuinely believe this or is it an op. Some of it definitely looks like an op. It’s probably a mix I guess. Whatever it is, it’s not good.

Obviously Hamas did a terrible thing. That’s just a fact. The history of wrongs on both sides is also a fact. But we seem to currently have a quite bizarre attempt to paint a nation as cowering victims assaulted on all sides by a vicious enemy when every piece of evidence is pointing to that not being right now the case and in fact it being the opposite, or near enough.

Why did you post this thread in AIBU OP, instead of the board set up for it?

Whether you have any bias toward the conflict as in who is right and who is wrong, at the end of the day the punishment from Israel and it's Government has gone way beyond what the world agrees with regarding October 7th. As my mum used to say, 'two wrongs don't make a right'. I sometimes feel that in my lifetime there will never be peace in these regions. Poor, poor hostages, and innocent women, children and babies. And yes, OP, many a night I go to bed and thank my lucky stars I have a roof over my head and my DC are safe.

It is bizarre, isn’t it. Because even if you want to present it as an Israel or Hamas pick a side situation, you can surely ‘pick’ Israel and still admit that they have not acted with humanity?

To be honest, I enjoy debate and discussion about politics and I don’t mind being proven wrong or apologising for not getting something right. So, I’m genuinely seeking for someone with that opinion to show me everything they’ve got so I can see why they feel so strongly about the narrative you’ve mentioned. It’s not about me googling the info because I know how I’ve formed my opinion and the various sources that have contributed to it. I want to know why other people are happy to ignore so many sources in favour of (what appears to be) one source that is clearly going to present a bias narrative (the Israeli government). I can only assume they have other sources I’ve not found and are so credible that they trump all the sources that suggest Israel is playing at least some role in the pain and suffering.

Israel has been committing war crimes for over 50 years, all in pursuit of the same end goal.
Their supporters have consistently justified the actions taken to get there, and they’re not about to acknowledge any wrongdoing now.
The irony is absolutely mindblowing. 🤷‍♀️

..invariably the children have had other medical conditions or need specialist food/milk which isn't available
It doesn’t help that Israel has targeted hospitals and medical facilities, not to mention the attack on an ambulance convoy, killing all of the paramedics.
As long as supporters can deflect with “but Hamas,” it seems there’s no limit to what Israel can do without scrutiny or accountability.
This has been a long-awaited endgame, and now they’re executing it, with overwhelming backing.

After 11 weeks of Israel withholding food and aid, it’s far more reasonable to conclude that children are starving because of that, not because every single one has some pre-existing medical condition.
Surely you have to wonder how many of those "medical conditions" are actually the result of Israel’s military campaign to clear Gaza?
We could go in circles, but the reality speaks for itself.

If convincing yourself that the images coming out of Gaza are "fake" brings you comfort, then by all means, carry on.
This is directed at the general "you", you know, the ones we see all over this thread and others like it. No one’s really confused anymore by the constant cries of "fake news." That phrase has become mainstream, shorthand for people unwilling or unable to face realities that challenge their carefully constructed beliefs.
We see you

It a tragedy. Egypt of course could open it's border to help this disaster. What political reasons to not do this. This is an absolute humanitarian catastrophe. Why are the International community not putting pressure on Egypt. Forget about appealing to good nature of Israel, that won't work. This is only a contained prison for starvation because Egypt has closed a border. Why would they do that in the face of dead children in the neighbours. We all feel revulsion, but still that border is closed. Open it and feed children.
The reason. Because borders have been open to Palestine and their supporters in the past and the Country doing it has been destabilised by militant activity. Egypt knows that and refuse to open the border. Children stave. We say it's a tragedy. But children are the price for political aims. Shame on them.