This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

No point in appeals?

You've really not thought this through have you.

A spectacularly dumb idea

What a completely stupid idea. Ever heard of miscarriages of justice?

It's a good thing you are not in charge of the justice system.

If I was in charge of the justice system there would be a lot less crime, that's for sure. The system would be run for the benefit of the law-abiding public.

You’re not in charge though and for very good reason. You don’t even think rationally.

In the USA, the murder rate in non-death penalty states has remained consistently lower than the rate in states with the death penalty, and the gap has grown since 1990.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rate-of-death-penalty-states-compared-to-non-death-penalty-states

So how will they get food? Exercise? Shower? Visits including legal teams and family? Healthcare

things they have to have access to by law?

So where would the money come from to pay for all your new justice system then?

for a start you want to bring in the death penalty. That’s going to be expensive.

where are you getting the money from??

😄
Nicely done.

Translation; "There is no point to human rights, due process or any of those other namby pamby left wing ideas. Who cares if the person might be innocent and could prove it on appeal? Kill kill kill!"

😆I'd be mortified if I had posted something so nakedly narcissistic and self-reverential.

Hey, don't confuse the salivating sadists with facts.

Brilliant post. Your daughter is a treasure.
I do think there are prisoners who cannot be rehabilitated (the sadistic psychopaths) but they are by no means the majority.

As I said already, there's a good reason why you are not in charge.

You spout dangerous bollocks and couldn't give a shit about possible miscarriages of justice.

An innocent person could be killed because you deemed the right to appeal to be pointless. I suppose you think they are just numbers, and collateral damage!? Do you think that just saying "oops, sorry" to their families would be sufficient compensation? I would bet that you do.

All this bullshit is the very reason why the death penalty must never be reinstated.

Presumably Oona is one of these people who is also disgusted by the worst sort of criminals having trials and considers defence lawyers to be as bad as the people they represent. I mean, we’ve already established some crimes are just so obvious there can be no doubt about them, so why have trials, let alone appeals?

A common view among those whose fervour to be appalled and be seen to be appalled overrides all else.

It also shows a strong streak of authoritarianism. I have been discussing this issue with an untold number of people for at least twenty five years and have found proponents of the death penalty are almost always authoritarian types and are usually hard right wing, though that's not universal.
They are often the same people who claim to be "pro-life," which is an irony they can't seem to appreciate. The usual slow-witted response to somebody pointing out that bit of hypocrisy is usually something along the lines of; "That's an innocent baby so it deserves to live! Murderers don't!"
To me if you're really pro human life then that philosophy should apply to all humans, not just those you personally consider deserving.

I am not pro-life in the slightest. Or right wing. I believe in right and wrong, and the world should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. Law-breakers should be dealt with in whatever way causes the least inconvenience to law-abiders. Their "rights" should not even be a consideration, they lost that right when they chose the become lawbreakers.

The problem is that you have said you are against the right to appeal and prove that the accused are, in fact, not law breakers, which invalidates your position completely. You apparently don't care if the innocent get executed without due process of law. This is massively hypocritical if your claim is you are motivated by regard for the law and concern for those who abide by it.
If you had ever been the victim of a false accusation I wager you'd change your tune in a flash. Are you unable to empathize with the falsely accused at all? Do you really think people should be swiftly put to death without a chance to prove there was a miscarriage of justice? If so, I have to say that's a disturbing and seemingly sociopathic point of view.

You don't believe in allowing possibly innocent people to appeal and would simply execute them yet you claim that you know absolutely right from wrong!!?? Can you seriously not see the contradiction there??

I take it you don't believe that there can ever be any grey areas or cases that are questionable at all.

What utter bilge!!

How do you imagine it would work if we decreed that people lose their rights as soon as they are charged with a crime? Does it mean that, for instance, they automatically lose their right to freedom? Are you happy to pay extra taxes for the thousands of prison places we would need for people on bail? If they lose their right to freedom for ever, irrespective of the offence they are charged with, surely that incentivises them to commit the worst crimes? After all, in that situation you may as well kill off all the witnesses if you commit an offence, your sentence won't be any worse as a result.

You should see that poster’s work on any dog-related thread. She thinks they should all be poisoned, or put in zoos and that we should only be allowed robots for blind people rather than guide dogs.

Whaaaaaat? 😵
I am a passionate dog lover, so I'm for getting out the pitchforks, tar and feathers. Damn it, where's a rail to run somebody out of town on when you really need one?

Edited to add that I'm kidding, in case mods might object to this.

@OonaStubbs are you in charge if anything in RL?

What is a rail? I’ve often wondered….

What are you suggesting - whole life sentences for large numbers of people?

I am suggesting that the country should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. Law-breakers should be dealt with in whatever way causes the least inconvenience to law-abiders. Both in terms of cost and everything else.

I believe that minor offenders can reasonably be rehabilitated but killers? No way, and it's not worth the risk when they have already killed. They are failed humans.