This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

Just the kinds of countries we want to aspire to live in.

what people don’t seem to realise is that stripping away human rights for one sector of society is a slippery slope.

not one country where the death penalty is carried out immediately has any kind of human rights. So the question is, if you’re happy for murderers’ human rights to be removed like this which of your own rights would you be prepared to lose. Because it wouldn’t end there.

One would hope everyone in prison is guilty but we know that isn't always the case, which is why the death penalty should be reserved for specific cases.

Take for instance the father who just ran over and killed that knife wielding thief for attacking his son, it's not in the same league as stabbing young girls to death for no reason, but both are murder charges.

A lot of people seemingly aren't very concerned about human rights in general
They'll probably claim to be without realising that you can't apply human rights to some people but not others.

So we’re taking motive into account now!

Exactly. And the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) has failed so many innocent people in recent years, by repeatedly denying them appeals for wrongful conviction e.g. Andrew Malkinson, that their reputation is in tatters.
Sorry @Glitchymn1 , but your views on this subject are terribly naive.

Of course. Motive is always taken into account when sentencing, surely?

It’s quite ridiculous isn’t it.
Best ignored that poster

I can't work out if they're playing pigeon chess or just clapping back to the last thing that is said without taking into account how the conversation has unfolded.

I think it’s far more than merely the existence of the death penalty. It exists in the USA after all.

It's the same reason Saudi is safe.

In Scotland, they have innocent, guilty and not proven.

"Not proven" seems a bit of a cop-out to me. It's like saying "We think you did it, but we can't prove it".

Ah ha, cherry picking ... I see you. 👀

I am never going to change my mind about how I feel, so I can't see the point in the needless back and forth arguing. Death sentence should be brought back IMO for the most heinous crimes. An opinion isn't wrong, no matter how some people try and make out it is. I believe we need to bring back the death sentence. THAT is a fact. (That I believe it.) You can't change that. I'm not going to change a lifelong opinion, because a random on the internet tells me my opinion is 'wrong.'

Anyway, I agree with other pp that your opinions keep wavering, and I'm not sure you even know what you believe!

Motive ist taken into account when e.g. distinguishing between murder and manslaughter. It also makes the difference between crimes of passion and premeditated murder.

😅

The distinction between murder and manslaughter is intent, not motive. Motive can go some way towards corroborating intent, but it's intent that counts.

ETA: in England and Wales, at least. It may be different in Scotland.

Not necessarily, only for sexual/sadistic or terrorist motives.

Yes, I agree there are other factors at play e.g. income inequality, education etc.

Also, how often the death penalty is actually used - not often in the US, more often in Singapore.

As I've said before, I'm not in favour of the death penalty due to the potential of innocent lives being lost, but I do think it can reduce crime.

The recidivism (reoffending) rate after 2 years in the UK is around 60%. In Singapore it's around 30%.

It makes sense to believe that the death penalty plays a role here. If a murderer is released after 10 years (many are released much earlier!) there's a much higher chance of them killing again than if that same murderer was executed after the first crime - making their reoffending rate 0.

I believe this has been or will be abolished.

You see, you have come onto a new thread to start again.

It’s at the top of actives!

Why does it make sense to believe the death penalty plays a role?

The recedivism rate is higher in the USA than the UK.

The recedivism rate is even lower in Norway than Singapore.

You seem to be cherry picking.

Do you think the threat of the death penalty would have stopped him from doing it? Of course it wouldn't.

Of course he should be punished, but the death penalty has never been a deterrent.

This post is like fact check bingo.

The USA executes significantly more people than Singapore.

The recidivism rate for murder is around 0.001% in the UK. The overall recidivism rate is 26%, that’s for all people completing all sentences who go on to commit any further crime.

The Singapore recidivism rate is actually around 20%.

I bet you can’t find a single person who was released from a murder sentence after 10 years. The average tariff in 2021 was 21 years. Murder with a weapon taken to the scene is a starting point of 25 years for a knife, 30 for a gun.