This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

If the death penalty actually was proven to be a deterrent (spoiler- it hasn't been) and there was no possibility of false convictions in death penalty cases, you might have somewhat of a point. But even then, you have the reality that it has a brutalizing effect on society when the state can commit murder.

I am. Very much so.

Saying it could be misused is a far cry from saying it is being misused, whereas we know for a fact that innocent people have been put to death.
There should obviously be strict safeguards in place for assisted death to avoid coercion.

I'll answer it. In effect that would be giving the smarter criminals who were clever enough to not get caught red handed a benefit that was not available to the stupid ones who were caught red handed. So they would, in essence, be killed for their stupidity. Can you live with giving the smarter ones special breaks they don't deserve?

I'm so sorry you and your child went through that and that you had to deal with that poster's ridiculous comments.
I'm thinking that one is not the brightest of bulbs. Watching a lot of true crime doesn't make you an expert on anything.

Not if the sentence was carried out within hours as it is in other countries.

Which countries carry out executions without the right to appeal?

Thin end of a wedge there. What if someone kills another person in a collision? No question who was driving? A 22 year old has recently collided with and killed the driver of a mobility scooter that was on the wrong side of the road, does the 22 year old face death? What about the people that saw the woman on the wrong carriageway and did nothing? Are they culpable? What if she wasn’t 22 and was a 79 year old who shouldn’t really be driving because of cataracts? How do you choose who warrants death and who doesn’t? It’s a slippery slope.

Yep. The person who did this is not human. Not everyone in a human suit is actually human, if you are capable of doing this you lose all your rights, including the right to life. I'd be personally ok with being the one to pull the switch on him and any others who do similar. We need them out of the gene pool, they create utter misery and their vicious brutality ripples outward making the world a far, far worse place, which in turns has repercussions for future generations.

They cost normal people millions each year to keep them alive for no reason, and nobody should ever have to deal with them in any way.

They are a cancer. Kill them.

Oh because you know one person, you think you know better than the familIES (plural) in America and THEIR OWN TESTIMONY?? Talk about arrogance! These people have said ON CAMERA that they've had closure.

And you are calling them LIARS.

Think about that for a moment.

I'm not saying I'm an expert. You, and that poster, misunderstand me.

I am saying that the VICTIMS FAMILIES have gone on camera and SAID that they feel closure.

Are you saying they're lying?

Well, are you?

Maybe for people like the Southport killer where there is no doubt

I knew there'd be a few people here saying they'd happily step forward and press the switch,/fire the gun/pull the lever/swing the axe... What lovely people they are, able to go home to their families and sleep peacefully knowing they'd murdered someone.

The risk is low but the stakes are high. What about Lucy Letby? Sentenced to 15 whole life term and a year on there is doubt over her convictions..

I don’t think they’re lying. I don’t think they represent all victims, though. Others will feel differently. I also don’t think victims should be involved in sentencing. That’s why we have a judicial process, not the law of the jungle.

Thank you, and that's true. But PyongyangKipperbang is saying that none of them feel closure. That poster is accusing those families of lying, because only their one experience is correct. It's ignorant. Yes, some may not feel closure, and that's understandable. But a lot do. And it's wrong to say they don't when they themselves say they do. PyongyangKipperbang thinks only their one example matters and is true.

So because you’ve watched some programmes where some? People have said they felt closure only their opinions are the only ones which are valid?

what if the makers of the documentary skewed the footage the other way and only showed from the people who said they didn’t feel closure, because you do know there will have been some right? But this is media, these documentaries are always made to encourage a particular viewpoint.

of course there will be people who say they felt closure. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t people who didn’t.

true crime is entertainment. The people are real but the desired opinion is manufactured.

There are many troubling accounts and new laws being passed expanding access to euthanasia in e.g. Canada (https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867)

Given what we know about coercive control and abusive relationships, I think it is naive to say that no one has ever or will ever be pressured into killing themselves.

Now, often people say that these are fringe cases and so the benefit to the many outweighs the risk. I just find it surprising that when it comes to the death penalty, the argument is often switched round - the risk of even one innocent person dying means that the death penalty is unacceptable.

I'm not talking about documentaries. I'm talking about actual victim family media statements.

I also think some may be mistaking closure for justice. You can feel you got no justice, but closure at the death. You can also feel that you've had justice but no closure. You can also feel both at the same time. Or neither. But from the get go I was attacked, told I was lying, the families were lying. I'm ignorant. And, I'm 'not the brightest of bulbs'.

All because I said that these families said they felt closure.

Edited to add that I don't know where PyongyangKipperbang lives but that perhaps there is a difference in a perpetrator taking their own lives or being murdered by someone else, and families in America having to be on tenterhooks for years while the perpetrator gets appeals. So the final act would feel closure to them, after those years of waiting.

no she didn’t. She said that families don’t necessarily feel closure and that she knows of one who didn’t.

there are also other posters on the thread who have said the same, and from personal experience.

nobody has accused anyone of lying. The only one lying here right now is you.

Even though i think the death should be looked at again, you re making a assumption that is wrong.

You saw a program where some families had closure but what the fuck does that even mean?
I had none when my partner died in an accident, everyone said after the funeral there is closure no there isn't.

Many years ago, my friends son was killed in a violent attack, 2 youths were jailed for around 14 years each.

The parents never wanted the death penalty, they just hoped the youths would turn their lives around.

There is no "closure" the lad will never walk back into their lives again.

whicg are shown as part of <newsflash> documentaries.

So you're saying victims media statements through a family spokesperson or their own statements on social media, not included in documentaries, are 'manipulated'?

Not true. Go back up. I said many families in America feel closure.

She then called me ignorant and said I didn't know what I was talking about.