This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

It is, of course. But we agree it is ok to kill criminals in certain circumstances, I just happen to disagree with you on what circumstances they may be.

I think people like Axel should be put down.

Me too.

Wanting bad people to die is not even remotely similar to wanting innocent people to die.

Killing people to save other peoples lives at the time of the offense is very different to killing as punishment or revenge after a trial.

One is to save lives, the other is revenge

Only one will save lives

What he said in his book was that he didn't believe that the threat of the death penalty had deterred a single murderer.

And not one person here has answered why the ones caught red handed can’t be executed.

Because killing people is wrong.

I’d rather see some kind of system whereby prisoners are actually useful to society. But we know from the US that is a slippy slope - as they make a lot of money out of the free labour and so don’t release people when they should be released.

And I’ve heard and read that it doesn’t always provide closure. Common sense alone ought to suggest it’s highly improbable all victims’ families feel the same.

There was a case about twenty years ago when a child was murdered and the usual papers started calling for the return of the death penalty and saying 'the victim's family would want it - why aren't we listening to them? Does no one care what they want?'

And the victim's family issued a statement saying that they didn't want another life to be taken and, in accordance with their faith, they felt that they had to try to forgive.

At which point the usual papers started saying that they were deranged by grief and no one should listen to them.

I’m not twisting anything.

I understand perfectly well what you’ve written, but it seems you don’t or perhaps you just won’t admit you’ve made a mistake.

Heinous means particularly dreadful or wrong. I.e. describing a crime as heinous is quite literally commenting on its severity. You have linked this to the likelihood of a crime being ‘cut and dried’.

So, how am I twisting what you’ve said?

Been thinking about this and you have no experience at all apart from "follow[ing] true crime and the DP in America" and yet you have the temerity to tell me, who has guided her own child through the horrific murder of their best friend, that you know better?! The victims father and I are in touch with each other, my child is in touch regularly with the victims mother.

I am genuinely not sure whether to laugh at your arrogance or cry at your insinuations that I know less that you because of what you saw on the telly.

The victim I have referenced has a memorial at the National Arobretum. I am very VERY pissed off at you suggesting I dont know what I am talking about.

Not when it's a murderous psychopath who has killed people - especially children.

I am, and have always been, against the death penalty. I accept that means sometimes there will be people who have committed such a heinous crime that you cannot bear thinking about the horrific details, alongside some sad cases of inadequate people who may stand a chance of being rehabilitated.

We have to accept that if there is no death penalty, it's the same for all murderers.

There is capital punishment in some states of America and it is no deterrent, murders still happen all the time.

We have to keep on trying to make society better, even a little progress is worthwhile. We have come a long way and still have a way to go, no doubt always will, human nature being what it is.

This is an irreconcilable difference. Killing people is wrong. It’s damaging to society to have people whose job it is to kill people.

I’m talking about education and social care for the general population.

So if someone murders multiple people but does a good job hiding the evidence, or doesn’t bother filming it, they get a different punishment?

YABU
’It was Christie Wot did it’.

What a bizarre take.

I’ll make it simple for you. The government has finite resources, the country is in the shit. We need to invest in children and take care of old people, not squander billions on expanding the criminal justice system to accommodate the death penalty.

This.

How would it cost more? Just change it so if someone is convicted of murder, they are hung, there and then. It will save all the costs of having them in jail for many years. Plus if the law is retroactively applied we can execute all those currently in jail for murder. It is literally a win/win situation.

I’m afraid I just can’t take you seriously.

You're not on your own there.

no me either

Correct. An in law of my family had the appalling experience of their beloved parent being brutally murdered ( UK) and years later has had to bear the fact that the murderers have been released. Not once have they ever wished that the murderers had been or deserved to be executed, in fact they are very much against capital punishment.

It is still wrong. We have to draw a line in the sand. We cannot have a society where we say that killing people is the most serious offence there is, but which itself cold bloodedly kills people by appointment.