This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

I’m half-inclined to agree with you OP. However, I only think it should be used where there can be absolutely no doubt as to the guilt of the perpetrator e.g. in cases of mass murder in a public place where there are multiple witnesses to the crime, such as the Southport incident, or where the murder is caught on video.

Is nobody interested in the impact of society of judicial killing, and the issue of the employment of executioners?

Correct, but whether we want the state to execute people for being found guilty for crimes like this is complex.

I dont by the way.

Which brings up an interesting point. On a thread about euthanasia I was arguing that it could be misused to pressure vulnerable people into dying against their will.

Several posters said that even if that happened, it would be worth it to give all the other people the freedom from pain and end to their suffering.

I think the death penalty could be misused and lead to innocent people dying. I wonder if the posters who argued in favour of euthanasia would apply the same logic to the death penalty. Would they say the benefits to the many outweigh the risk to the few?

Cut and dried means that something is settled, in the case of a crime it would mean there is no doubt of being found guilty.

My comment regarding the cut and dry cases often being the most heinous is down to the nature of these crimes which is often what makes them cut and dried to begin with. E.g the public slaughtering of young girls.

That isn't the same as suggesting there is 'a link between strength of evidence and how serious a crime is.'

You're twisting things.

This^. Totally agree with everything here.

It really does devalue life. I was talking about women being pressured by abusers to end their lives. People were saying that they're going to die anyway.

I'm surprised no one has said that a few innocent lives lost is worth it. One disturbing individual wanted people hanged immediately upon conviction.

If that were true, then you'd agree with me that the victims of the families overwhelmingly say they feel closure when the perpetrator dies. Maybe not justice, but all of them say "I feel closure". This is obvious to one who pays even a cursory attention to this topic in America. It's basic. It's not rocket science. So I don't know what you're disagreeing with, then. Are you calling these families liars?

Well we already employ soldiers. And the idea of euthanasia also involves paying someone to kill another human being (though one who has consented). So maybe not such a stretch, though yes I think it would impact society.

You don't seem to have ever had any experience with victims families. None at all.

I wasnt alluding to it btw, I was responding to it.

That is an interesting point. I'm against the death penalty for many reasons, but am for assisted dying - as long as there are sufficient precautions and guards against abuse. Perhaps it's just from a selfish point of view? I don't want to be in dreadful pain or lose all my dignity, nor do I want to be a burden for my DC or have my money wasted on care. I know it's not what this thread's about but it's given me some food for thought.

These are figures for America where prisoners remain on death roe for many many years before death. If a person is found guilty no reason why they can't get death penalty within a few weeks. Then it wouldn't cost high amounts.

No time for appeals then?

It's totally possible to see reasons for somebody becoming so beyond empathy and morality that they would commit such a heinous act, and to also condemn them for their choice to do so.

We could save even more money and just skip the trial.

That does sometimes happen in the case of terrorists being shot.

Exactly. The whataboutery and apologists on this thread are both disgusting and terrifying in equal amounts.

But if you think that a cold blooded murderer should be executed, and should NOT live a life in comfort, in a cushy prison, with educational and training facilities, and home comforts, and warmth, 3 meals a day, (and drugs and ciggies on tap!) you're 'a Daily Mail Reader.' 🙄

Bring back the death penalty. And do it now. NOW!

So many hand wringing liberal lefties on this thread. It's making me nauseous.

As I said, you can bet these individuals would have a different attitude if one of THEIR loved ones was murdered by someone.

ALSO, if people knew they may face the death sentence for murder, and other really heinous crimes, it MAY be a deterrent. What's the motivation for them to not commit these crimes if they know they will live their life out in a cushy prison?

Interesting how my post from earlier got 31 people agreeing with me and thanking me. Hmmm, seems I am not alone in my opinions. 🤔

Indeed they are, while committing the terrorism and are highly likely to be a danger to the public.

They aren't killed as punishment, but in the defence of people.

But you know this, and are just trying to muddy the waters and deflect

I am against the death penalty but in favour of assisted dying for one reason - autonomy

ALSO, if people knew they may face the death sentence for murder, and other really heinous crimes, it MAY be a deterrent. What's the motivation for them to not commit these crimes if they know they will live their life out in a cushy prison? except it is not a deterrent. Go and look at countries who use the death penalty - there are no less murders there than there are over here. In fact in the US the murder rate is significantly higher. So that’s that argument out the window.

And by other countries, I’m talking about civilised countries such as the US, not backward countries like Saudi where the death penalty is just another step in their lack of any human rights.

Also, statistically a jury is less likely to convict someone of a crime if the sentence is likely to be the death penalty.

For the people slavering over the idea of putting people to death and asking why we shouldn’t kill other people, the reason is very simple. If it’s wrong to kill someone, then it’s wrong regardless of the reasons why you do it.

If you’re advocating for the death penalty, then you’re essentially saying that you’re advocating for murder to be legal. Because only a certain kind of person is able to kill another one in cold blood.

And those who are forced to do it because of their job are deeply traumatised by it.

So ask yourself this. Would you be happy for your husband to go out killing people for a living? Your son? Your daughter’s husband?

Don’t you think that if someone has the capacity to kill people they also have the capacity to kill yo?

If you are a killer youo’re a killer regardless of who you’re killing. Don’t kid yourself that a decent hard-working family man or woman is someone who would be happy to kill other people for a living, regardless of who they are.

Only some with already violent tendencies is has it in them to kill someone. And if they can do it to one person, they can do it to another. An innocent one. Maybe you, maybe your children.

And innocent people like de Menezes.

I’m against assisted dying as well.

No. I'm just pointing out if we can justify killing people during the act of a crime what is so different to killing them after the crime....

Take Axel for example he is continuing to attack prison guards. Is putting him down not acting in defence of people?

No the death penalty should not be introduced.

And you are every bit as bad as him for salivating at the idea of the state murdering someone.

You both want death albeit in different ways. You are cut from the same cloth, you are just trying to cloak your bloodthirstiness in self righteousness.

Killing a terrorist who is in the middle of carrying out their crime, while the public are in immediate danger is very different to the death penalty. As well you know