This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

That poor baby, and yeah I think they should bring back the death penalty absolutely

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Animals like that don’t deserve to be fed and watered at our expense. 🤷‍♀️

You think it's disturbed not to want the state to kill innocent people? I think perhaps you need to look in the mirror if you want to see what disturbance looks like.

Stefan Kizsko was convicted of killing a child, and spent years in prison before the real killer was caught.

Timothy Evans was convicted of killing his daughter and hanged. The main witness for the prosecution was John Christie, the man who had actually killed her and several others.

@Zvov, do explain how you claim that the chances of miscarriages of justice now are very remote in the face of cases like Andrew Malkinson, Peter Sullivan and all those Post Office prosecutions?

Let's not pretend scum like this creature will end up in Guantánamo Bay... (Though they would deserve it!) They end up in a warm and comfortable place with a TV, computers, home comforts, 3 meals a day, games and activities, and opportunities to learn and train, and plenty of smokes and drugs!

Tell us you know fuck all about modern prison conditions without using those words ...

I've not heard of a baby being killed by abusive parents in hospital before. I really hope this brings about change so that this can't happen again. If SS were going to remove Ethan from them then he needed to be protected from them in hospital too.
Poor little baby. Heartbreaking

On the condition that if the dead person is later discovered to be innocent, all those that killed them are also put to death: Executioners, judge, jurors, people who voted for the law change, etc. Sure.

Why is it vengeance to want someone like Ian Huntley to be executed? he took 2 young girls lives, or Robert Black or Levi Bellfield?

Because we don't descend to their level. We don't indulge in the sheer hypocrisy of saying "Thou shalt not kill, but it's OK for us to kill". And because a long prison sentence is an entirely adequate punishment.

So they get to live out their twisted lives, in relative comfort? they will be fed and clothed, given educational opportunities, entertainment, therapies, visits.

No, there is no reason at all to allow people like these to live.

But i would be against the death penalty being the default for any murder, in the case of child serial killers, where the evidence is overwhelming, such as the above, then yes.

Whenever someone brings this up, I'm always reminded of that Alan Partridge sketch where he shares a similar view with a guest on his chat show. The guest replies, “Ever heard of the Birmingham Six?” to which Partridge responds, “Ah yes, but they were guilty its only now they are not.”

We don’t reject the death penalty out of sympathy for those who commit horrific crimes. We reject it because we know the justice system can and does get it wrong. Innocent people are sometimes convicted. Albert Pierrepoint, Britain’s most prolific executioner, hanged over 400 people. In time he came to oppose the death penalty himself. One of the men he executed was Timothy Evans, who was later found to be innocent and posthumously pardoned.

So would you want 3 possible outcomes for a trial. Not guilty, guilty, and obviously guilty death? How would it work in practice?

Yeah, whoops-de-do, what a hero!

The man who attacked Sharif with a tuna can lid plotted in cold blood to murder a woman. Dismembered her and left her body parts in public parks not far from where I live. Where children could have found them . The complete body has not been found.

Everyone cheering that prisoner on at the time this was reported made me sick. Because there is no moral high ground in it.

Revenge is a reciprocal blood lust.

We have laws and a justice system precisely so that we do not succumb to the (understandable) human reaction to want to kill a perpetrator. Revenge often does not give the victims the satisfaction they hope for. There was a documentary about people who watched executions in the U.S.

I do not want or celebrate prisoners using their own depraved values to attack others on my behalf.

I dont like the death penalty as mistakes are made and I dont get the logic of killing is so bad but the state can kill you.

But I do think some prisoners get released to soon.

I keep wondering this. It’s completely unworkable in practice.

No, there is no reason at all to allow people like these to live.

At least two very good reasons have been spelt out here repeatedly.

Do you think the death penalty would have prevented any of those deaths op?

Yeah I get it - I totally understand the desire to inflicted pain. But vengeance is driven by emotion while justice is about delivering punishment and removing harm but also protecting society in broader ethical terms - that we do not become what we condemn.

Of course justice will never feel like it's enough in crimes such as the ones you've mentioned - and most reasonable people will feel anger and a sense of wanting to retaliate. But long-term, fighting violence with violence only exacerbates the issue and erodes moral integrity.

I agree that that is extremely hollow to the families of victims. And there are countries in the world where the death penalty is lawful and therefore would be labelled justice rather than vengeance. But legality doesn't equal morality - justice becomes vengeance when it stops being about society's good and becomes about personal satisfaction, however hard that is to accept.

We are just hearing more and more disgusting things on the news, what is happening to society? Absolutely shocking. The cruelty to children is out of hand, yet nobody is forced to have a baby.

I wouldn't care less if he was put down. Save the tax payers a load of money, send out a strong message too.
Prison is not enough for some people. They arent put off going in there.

If an animal savaged a human they would be put down. What's the difference.
RIP poor baby.

Incarceration isn't working.
It's not a deterrent.

There are sentencing guidelines now for murder cases, we already have 3 outcomes - we have Not Guilty, Guilty and Guilty with a whole life order.

It would be the latter who could be considered for execution.

I do not see how anyone can justify Huntley or Bellfield being kept alive.

I don’t think it’s good for a society to have people whose job it is to kill people.

It's part of the Armed Forces role to kill people.

Stefan Kiszko. He wasn’t hanged but might as well have been. He died 22 months after being released from prison after serving 16 years. He was an intellectually disabled man who was convicted because the police suppressed a crucial piece of evidence that would have completely exonerated him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

The real killer was eventually caught through DNA match.

This is why we need to invest heavily in solving the addiction problem, supporting struggling families and early MH interventions.

It's never mentioned by people who think the death penalty would be a deterent, but when the defendant is likely to receive a death penalty, juries are far less likely to find them guilty.