To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

[Longingdreamer]

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

I think that a lot of people are frightened to get involved in anything, full stop.

It was decades ago now, but I intervened in an appalling assault on a young woman on a train. There were several men in the same carriage who would all have heard what was going on, and a couple who must have seen it, but they all just ignored it. I was horrified. And bloody angry.

Happy to admit I'm wrong on that point. Honestly though, claiming a moral right to occupy land because someone once wrote down thousands of years ago that a magic sky fairy told them it was theirs is a pretty batshit position to hold!

If I had seen this I’d like to think I would intervene. I am an ally, I’m sorry to see that anti-semitism is once again on the rise. It’s horrific and totally unacceptable.

I'm sorry you and your children went through that OP.
Jewish Lives Matter.

I have been regularly abused because of disability and not one person stepped forward at the time (plenty of armchair warriors after the event). My friends regularly experience racism and nobody intervenes (unless I am there - I am not easy to shut up). The police have rarely been interested, and less than useful if they took a report anyway.

It is not about anti-semitism. It is about a society in which abuse and discriminatiuon are now widely accepted and in some cases applauded.

@mumandmumber we've rightly been taught to respect the lived experiences of people of colour and other minorities when they speak about racism or oppression.
Try being disabled if you think that. We even have our own government trying to make out we are lazy spendthrifts scrounging off the taxpayer (something MNHQ seems to also find acceptable language). What about asylum seekers and / or refugees - who is respecting their "lived experiences"? Islamophobia? I am 67 years old. Things were supposed to get better. There is more division and hatred in society now than there was when I was a child. I'm not saying things were perfect then, or that these attitudes didn't persist - but at least nobody pretended that they were "respecting" the lived experiences of others. Bullshit - the bigots aren't respecting anything that isn't about themselves, and society in general seems to have descended into chaos and hatred.

You should directly call the police yourself and reported it as a hate crime, especially if the staff aren't helpful. I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family, your children must have been so scared.

This.

I agree. It also doesn’t help that police is still
not diverse. 92% of police officers are white.

Sorry that happened to you.Yes I think antisemitism was always there, I think it's probably ingrained in european societies since the middleages.It's rearing it's ugly head again now.
Hope you don't have to experience too much more if this.
Do you feel safe living where you live now?

Ah I’m sorry OP. The tube staff and police should have taken it more seriously but in all honesty, unless there was an immediate threat to your life or you were being sexually abused, I’d never get involved with any idiots shouting racial abuse no matter what race it was regarding. I would be too frightened of escalating the situation into actual violence and when it’s strangers in the street it’s difficult to risk assess quickly. If it’s only words, it’s a matter of leaving a dangerous situation quickly and reporting to the police. Anything else, I would hope I would intervene.

Here we go
Never takes long

If someone said they were totally appalled and disgusted by the holocaust but didn't like Jewish people, they'd rightly be called Antisemitic.

How is this any different from people saying they have nothing against Jewish people but hate Israel and the war against Palestine?

Antisemitism is a real problem and there will always be cover stories and "reasons" for people to be antisemitic but claim they are not.

Eh? You poked fun and she poked fun back. Why the double standard?

You obviously know very little.

WOW. Your ignorance has taken my breath away. I actually can’t believe you wrote that down and posted it.

I think the difference is that whilst you may not get help from people at the time, generally the feeling will be that it was wrong for a person to experience discrimination or abuse because of their ethnicity or religion.

I think that it’s become clearer that this doesn’t cover Jews tbh. I’m not Jewish but I am a minority and I’m actually appalled.

I can unfortunately.

I had asked for the police to be called and to be taken somewhere safe.

London Underground staff didn’t do as you asked, but that doesn’t automatically mean they anti semitic. They wouldn’t do it for anyone if they didn’t think it was necessary. A personal escort to another area is quite a big ask when there’s no physical threat. You could have called the police yourself if you felt like you were in danger.

Without referring to the incident experienced in the OP because we don’t know what happened, I think part of the problem is that acts of solidarity with Palestine, like wearing a keffiyeh or taking part in peaceful protest, are inaccurately labelled by some as being anti-Semitic, which creates more fear and division and dilutes the importance of genuine issues of racism.

This ⬆️.
It's racism, which unfortunately, people on here seem to minimise.

Thank you, I was just coming on here to say this. Unbelievable.

I'm not sure what your point is. What has Mandy Patinkin got to do with it, and would you call racism "a reception"? I'm sure that you don't mean to minimise it.

That's dreadful, and I'm sorry to hear that you and your children have experienced this. I know that there's been an increase in antisemitism lately. I wish it could be taken more seriously.

There was a disturbing rise in anti semitism before the horrific events of October last year and since the Palestinian genocide its rocketed.

I'm so sorry you're experiencing it firsthand, op, many of us do still care. I hope the investigation leads to charges.

That's appalling. I think you should complain to TfL and copy in whoever is the politician responsible for transport in London these days.

How can women and children feel safe to travel on the tube if TfL staff don't take appropriate action when something happens?