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To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

657 replies

Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 14:04

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

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SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2025 21:03

Amnesty says men are women, so...

SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2025 21:04

Anyway, all of this is utterly irrelevant to the fact that Jewish people in the UK should not be experiencing antisemitism, or have their experience denied or derided when they do.

OonaStubbs · 28/07/2025 21:28

Why are Israel held to much higher moral standards than other countries at war - including Palestine?

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 21:32

SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2025 17:47

I'm sorry but Israeli people and those who support them aren't entitled to have their feelings protected in a way that no one else is.

It's not just Israelis that find the comparison hurtful. But I can't stop you if you wish to cause pain, I guess.

Nobody is setting out to hurt anyone. It they truth can't be brushed under the carpet to spare people's feelings.

TaupeLemur · 28/07/2025 21:46

OonaStubbs · 28/07/2025 21:28

Why are Israel held to much higher moral standards than other countries at war - including Palestine?

That has to be a joke. I promise you I will call any genocide a genocide regardless of the perpetrators. Ok?

missinglalaland · 28/07/2025 22:16

When I first came to the UK 25 years ago, I noticed subtle antisemitism. I asked British Jews that I met how they felt about it. Everyone claimed there was no antisemitism, everything was fine. They didn’t recognise what I was picking up on.

I am not Jewish, but I grew up on the US East Coast where there was a significant Jewish minority. I grew up with Jewish friends and their families were kind, intelligent, warm and generous.

I feel sad to see that my antenna seemed to be right after all. October 7th seemed to give everyone permission to let out their ugliest feelings.

OonaStubbs · 28/07/2025 22:22

TaupeLemur · 28/07/2025 21:46

That has to be a joke. I promise you I will call any genocide a genocide regardless of the perpetrators. Ok?

Did the Allies commit genocide against Germany in WW2?

Why did Palestine carry out the atrocities of October 7th knowing that Israel possesses much more military strength and would certainly retaliate?

Why DOES Israel posses far more military strength when they are a country alone in that region of the world whereas Palestine is an Islamic state surrounded by other Islamic states?

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 01:08

Theres a lot of pics in the news recently of starving babies, being sobbed over by their plump mothers

Voxon · 29/07/2025 01:12

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 16:25

So you think there's no anti semetism on the marches because you reject the official definition of anti semetism?

Antisemitism is greatly reduced by simply allowing antisemites to redefine it!

Voxon · 29/07/2025 01:15

noworklifebalance · 28/07/2025 16:53

Playing devils advocate but I presume the hypocrisy of the Israeli government (not the Jewish people) inflicting such atrocities on another race/ethnic group.

Humans are generally awful regardless of their race and the ethnicity and often can only see the horrors inflicted upon themselves; oblivious to the way they treat others. Other races/groups are dehumanised and is a way of disconnecting themselves from the atrocities they inflict on others.

No. That's simply false.

They're not inflicting anything on a race/ ethnic group. In fact they live peacefully with 2 million Arab Muslims.

What they're doing is defending themselves against a terrorist led state that's openly dedicated to finishing what hitler started. It has nothing to do with their race.

Voxon · 29/07/2025 01:25

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 17:01

Why is this grotesque? It is making the point that what the Holocaust victims suffered is comparable with what people in Palestine are suffering.

It is about the fact that everyone said 'never again' but here we are, again, just with different groups of people.

What a revolting post. Morally bankrupt.

Israel is fighting and targeting Hamas, in a war THEY started by brutally butchering innocent people. Hamas represents a state of people for whom they are responsible for and whom they dragged into a war.

Jews in the Holocaust were not fighters, not militants, not insurgents. They were ordinary civilians, teachers, shopkeepers, children, grandmother, living peacefully among their neighbours when their own governments, aided by collaborators across Europe, systematically hunted them down for one reason only: they were Jews.

They weren’t caught in a war. There was no “resistance” to blame. They were rounded up, torn from their homes, herded into ghettos, loaded onto cattle cars, starved, tortured, dehumanised, and ultimately exterminated in gas chambers. Babies were thrown against walls. Children were experimented on. Women were raped and butchered. Families were annihilated. Six million murdered. Not because of what they did or because their country was at war, but because of who they were.

To compare that to an active conflict, however tragic, where a terrorist group deliberately fires from civilian areas, uses hospitals and schools as cover, and holds hostages to prolong war, is beyond vile. It’s not a critique, it’s a grotesque erasure of Jewish suffering used as a cheap prop to fuel modern political hatred.

The phrase “never again” wasn’t meant to be cynically hijacked by performative activists pretending wars are Auschwitz. It was a solemn vow to prevent the industrialised slaughter of an ethnic group for no reason other than their identity.

If you want to support Palestinian civilians, then do it, but don’t trample the graves of Holocaust victims to make your point. It doesn't go unnoticed that those who do this take a sick sense of pleasure in comparing Jews to the very people who tried to exterminate them, because they have the gall to fight back against another group- very openly- trying to fucking exterminate them.

HelenaWaiting · 29/07/2025 03:14

BastardesEverywhere · 24/07/2025 14:48

You're right, it's not really a 'phrase'. Apologies. I'll re-phrase.

The words 'Anti-Semitism' have been so awfully overused in the last couple of years that people, including the police, probably now under-react to any real examples or reports of it.

I don't think this is outrageous at all.

One of those most antisemitic things you can say is that "antisemitism is overused". It's in line with the old "Jews complain that everything is antisemitic" trope. It's a blatant attempt to dissuade people from calling out antisemitism where it occurs. Pretty repugnant, imo.

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 03:39

I think theres a lot more Muslims in Britain and they all seem to have an opinion

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 04:03

In Christianity it is said that the Jews have been chosen to bear the weight of the devils war and that they are chosen to suffer.
Muslims believe in an end times where Jews and Christians either die or become muslims.
For the record I would rather die...lol
Don't endorse that please
Im shocked that there are some women alive that fight for a religion that rapes children, .mutilates women and will rape and torture women for disagreeing with their medieval ways

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 04:24

Its funny how people that are voting for trans rights are the same ones demanding a palestinian state.
I wonder how the left would feel when they realise
Muslims would hang them for being trans..lol
Decapitated!!

Lighteningstrikes · 29/07/2025 07:48

Don’t take it personally, it’s not anti-semitism.

Society has changed and it’s rife with terrible and horrific incidents, stabbings etc., so your event in relation was a non-event in comparison.

I’m not saying it’s right, it’s actually terrible, but you have to be realistic.

nomas · 29/07/2025 09:47

OonaStubbs · 28/07/2025 22:22

Did the Allies commit genocide against Germany in WW2?

Why did Palestine carry out the atrocities of October 7th knowing that Israel possesses much more military strength and would certainly retaliate?

Why DOES Israel posses far more military strength when they are a country alone in that region of the world whereas Palestine is an Islamic state surrounded by other Islamic states?

Israel calls the atrocities of 7 October a genocide, so not sure why the Palestinians can’t call the indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians a genocide?

And comparing Palestinians to Nazi Germans is disgusting, have a word with yourself.

nomas · 29/07/2025 09:48

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 04:24

Its funny how people that are voting for trans rights are the same ones demanding a palestinian state.
I wonder how the left would feel when they realise
Muslims would hang them for being trans..lol
Decapitated!!

Actually there are large numbers of trans people in the some Muslim countries.

nomas · 29/07/2025 09:49

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 04:03

In Christianity it is said that the Jews have been chosen to bear the weight of the devils war and that they are chosen to suffer.
Muslims believe in an end times where Jews and Christians either die or become muslims.
For the record I would rather die...lol
Don't endorse that please
Im shocked that there are some women alive that fight for a religion that rapes children, .mutilates women and will rape and torture women for disagreeing with their medieval ways

Wouod be interesting to see who challenges you on your racism. I’m not holding my breath.

nomas · 29/07/2025 09:53

Voxon · 29/07/2025 01:25

What a revolting post. Morally bankrupt.

Israel is fighting and targeting Hamas, in a war THEY started by brutally butchering innocent people. Hamas represents a state of people for whom they are responsible for and whom they dragged into a war.

Jews in the Holocaust were not fighters, not militants, not insurgents. They were ordinary civilians, teachers, shopkeepers, children, grandmother, living peacefully among their neighbours when their own governments, aided by collaborators across Europe, systematically hunted them down for one reason only: they were Jews.

They weren’t caught in a war. There was no “resistance” to blame. They were rounded up, torn from their homes, herded into ghettos, loaded onto cattle cars, starved, tortured, dehumanised, and ultimately exterminated in gas chambers. Babies were thrown against walls. Children were experimented on. Women were raped and butchered. Families were annihilated. Six million murdered. Not because of what they did or because their country was at war, but because of who they were.

To compare that to an active conflict, however tragic, where a terrorist group deliberately fires from civilian areas, uses hospitals and schools as cover, and holds hostages to prolong war, is beyond vile. It’s not a critique, it’s a grotesque erasure of Jewish suffering used as a cheap prop to fuel modern political hatred.

The phrase “never again” wasn’t meant to be cynically hijacked by performative activists pretending wars are Auschwitz. It was a solemn vow to prevent the industrialised slaughter of an ethnic group for no reason other than their identity.

If you want to support Palestinian civilians, then do it, but don’t trample the graves of Holocaust victims to make your point. It doesn't go unnoticed that those who do this take a sick sense of pleasure in comparing Jews to the very people who tried to exterminate them, because they have the gall to fight back against another group- very openly- trying to fucking exterminate them.

It’s not true that Israel are targeting Hamas. Here is an Israeli soldier admitting the truth:

“Speaking anonymously, the soldier said troops killed civilians arbitrarily.”

“They don't really talk to you about civilians that may come to your place. Like I was in the Netzarim road, and they say if someone comes here, it means that he knows he shouldn't be there, and if he still comes, it means he's a terrorist," he said.

"This is what they tell you. But I don't really think it's true. It's just poor people, civilians that don't really have too many choices."

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Morally bankrupt.

Yes, this is an accurate description of the IDF and the Israeli government.

Voxon · 29/07/2025 10:02

nomas · 29/07/2025 09:47

Israel calls the atrocities of 7 October a genocide, so not sure why the Palestinians can’t call the indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians a genocide?

And comparing Palestinians to Nazi Germans is disgusting, have a word with yourself.

Edited

October 7 wasn't indiscriminate. It targeted unarmed civilians to murder as many as possible.

Israels response isn't indiscriminate either. It targets Hamas and military targets in order to rescue its kidnapped citizens and defeat Hamas.

Voxon · 29/07/2025 10:06

nomas · 29/07/2025 09:53

It’s not true that Israel are targeting Hamas. Here is an Israeli soldier admitting the truth:

“Speaking anonymously, the soldier said troops killed civilians arbitrarily.”

“They don't really talk to you about civilians that may come to your place. Like I was in the Netzarim road, and they say if someone comes here, it means that he knows he shouldn't be there, and if he still comes, it means he's a terrorist," he said.

"This is what they tell you. But I don't really think it's true. It's just poor people, civilians that don't really have too many choices."

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422

Morally bankrupt.

Yes, this is an accurate description of the IDF and the Israeli government.

Edited

This is one anonymous anecdote, not evidence.

The IDF is one of the most scrutinised armies in the world. Every operation is overseen by legal advisers embedded in command units. They review targeting decisions in real time to ensure compliance with international law.

The IDF conducts internal investigations and prosecutions. Israeli courts, including the Supreme Court, routinely review military conduct and have ruled against the IDF when necessary.

International observers, including the U.S. military and legal experts, acknowledge Israel’s complex efforts to minimise civilian harm, despite Hamas embedding itself among civilians.

Rules of engagement are strict, with warnings issued by phone, leaflet drops, and “roof-knocking” munitions to evacuate civilians, even when it compromises military advantage.

Isolated testimonies, especially anonymous ones, are not proof of policy. You’ll find rogue soldiers in every military. The difference is how their actions are dealt with, and the IDF does investigate and punish misconduct.

In contrast, Hamas openly boasts about targeting civilians, uses hospitals and schools to launch attacks, and has never disciplined anyone for war crimes, because their entire strategy is built on committing them.

nomas · 29/07/2025 10:42

Voxon · 29/07/2025 10:06

This is one anonymous anecdote, not evidence.

The IDF is one of the most scrutinised armies in the world. Every operation is overseen by legal advisers embedded in command units. They review targeting decisions in real time to ensure compliance with international law.

The IDF conducts internal investigations and prosecutions. Israeli courts, including the Supreme Court, routinely review military conduct and have ruled against the IDF when necessary.

International observers, including the U.S. military and legal experts, acknowledge Israel’s complex efforts to minimise civilian harm, despite Hamas embedding itself among civilians.

Rules of engagement are strict, with warnings issued by phone, leaflet drops, and “roof-knocking” munitions to evacuate civilians, even when it compromises military advantage.

Isolated testimonies, especially anonymous ones, are not proof of policy. You’ll find rogue soldiers in every military. The difference is how their actions are dealt with, and the IDF does investigate and punish misconduct.

In contrast, Hamas openly boasts about targeting civilians, uses hospitals and schools to launch attacks, and has never disciplined anyone for war crimes, because their entire strategy is built on committing them.

Two words for you.

War crimes.

The ICJ has issued warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

And you seriously believe the US is a neutral observer?

Come on, even you don’t believe this crap.

nomas · 29/07/2025 10:45

Voxon · 29/07/2025 10:02

October 7 wasn't indiscriminate. It targeted unarmed civilians to murder as many as possible.

Israels response isn't indiscriminate either. It targets Hamas and military targets in order to rescue its kidnapped citizens and defeat Hamas.

Israel’s response is absolutely indiscriminate. I believe Sky News over you,, sorry.

Beggars belief that you think the atrocities of 7 October was a genocide but the massacre of 60,000 Palestinians isn’t.

mumandmumber · 29/07/2025 11:33

There’s a huge amount of debating the use of the term ‘Genocide’.
There’s an interesting piece in today’s Haaretz on this very topic.
I cant seem to share the link here