To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

[Longingdreamer]

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

Do you really find it that hard to believe that people's distress and babies starving and people being shot whilst waiting for aid is fake? Who the hell doesn't feel distress and anger seeing those images.
What kind of warped thinking do you have to have to be of the opinion that if the perpetrators were a different religion/nationality it would be acceptable.
One of the most basic tenants of being 'left' is to oppose discrimination of all types.
You are turning yourself inside out to paint those opposed to genocides as the bad guys. The anti-Semitism gaslighting over opposing genocide doesn't work anymore.

Care to share a link to these swastika parades?

I've seen swastikas on marches...often they merge the swastika with the Star of David or have some slogan such as 'the irony of becoming the thing you once hated' or other such shite. I have no idea how to post links but a quick online search will show you.

If you just google it you'll see plenty of images. The one I've seen is like the last poster - a swastika merged with a Jewish star. Saw one where there was a swastika on an Israeli flag instead of the star too. The graffiti near my work has 'Jews =' and a swastika. So it happens and it's terrifying to see.

Yeah I posted on here about my step daughter, who is mixed race with a Sri Lankan dad, being the victim of a racially based assault in the aftermath of the Southport attacked. She was physically injured and was traumatised. She is still under CAMHS and self harming, school attendance down because she's scared. She was kicked, punched, dragged by her hair and spat on, called a p*ki and told to fuck off home by a group of teenage girls whose mums stood and laughed. She obsessively scrubs her skin where she was spat on and has cut all her hair off (herself, on a whim) where she was dragged by it.

Many of those (including some of the pro Israel posters on this thread) accused me of making it up to diminish the anti semitism that people have seen and attempt to give weight to point I was making.

The same posters who turn themselves inside out to try and justify the unjustifiable.

I am sure anti semitism is on the rise, I think racism generally is. But the attempt by some people to label anti Israel protest as anti-Semitism undermines actual cases of antisemitism.

People claiming ridiculous things like the poster hinting that there are swastikas at marches for an end to ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza, make things worse too. It's like the boy who cried wolf.

Do you have any links to reposts if these convoys?

We could equally ask you if you have seen people throwing petrol bombs and weapons at businesses? I know of a Muslim family whose shop was destroyed and they moved out of the country after last year's race riots.

It is getting frustrating with you trying to prove that anti-semitism is the worst kind of "ism". We all acknowledge that it exists. We all think it is awful. Let's go from there. No need to make your case by saying that Jewish people face the worst discrimination in the history of the world. What is the point in that? Do you want us to ban the anti-Palestine protests? I for one don't want that to happen. We have a right to condemn what the Israeli government is doing. Do I condone the presence of Nazi flags and racist chants? Of course not.

Yes, I think you are in danger. In fact we all are. The longer the onslaught on Gaza goes on, the more we are creating a terrorist threat now and for generations to come.

Do you struggle with searching the internet?

I just typed into Google...pro Palestine convoy London....and heaps came up. Try it.

I have been to marches for an end to genocide in Gaza. I have never seen a swastika. I have seen very ordinary peaceable people from all backgrounds who are sickened by the atrocities in Palestine. There is no undercurrent of hatred against Jews.

Do you have any evidence of this claim whatsoever?

It sounds like myth that has taken hold in your social circle and come to be believed as fact.

Constantly denying other people's experiences and asking for evidence is getting extremely tedious. You either need your eyes testing or you are just being wilfully obtuse.

You describe them as pro Palestine convoys. Being pro-Palestine is not anti semitic or aimed in anyway at the Jewish population. It is aimed at those who support Israel.

If they were shouting abuse against Jews just for being Jewish then that is beyond disgraceful and very different from the organised pro-palestine marches. I hope they are dealt with robustly.

Most people who are pro Palestine because they don't want to see people suffer, would also be horrified at the thought of anyone being targeted because of their religion.

Open racism has been emboldened by the last government with all their rhetoric about small boats etc.

My family was affected by a racist attack last year, I know there has been violence towards accommodation for asylum seekers, there were scenes of black and brown people being chased in the riots last year for the colour of their skin. I despair of all of this.

It's only when the claims are outlandish and somewhat slanderous.
The pro Palestine marches are trying to force a government to stop the mass killing and abuse of people.
Trying to tar those attending as fascists and Nazis is disgraceful.
The pro Israel posters on here are the first to ask for evidence of widely reported atrocities and will be the first to claim that the images are fake.
When there are two opposing viewpoints about an event evidence is necessary.

Im not describing them as that....that's what I typed into Google.

Do you have any links to reposts if these convoys?

I do indeed. @CleverButScatty

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-europe-lifestyle-race-and-ethnicity-religion-b2f53585ed1a3eec4d7ba0d0cfc0fc47

It's also mentioned in Hansard:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-05-17/debates/F3016C6F-117C-4328-9793-B88CD763BA41/AntisemiticAttacks

These animals that did that to you and your children should be deported. Don't care if they were British, they need to go live somewhere that aligns with their moronic beliefs

And if you want something more recent:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx285v8djejo

It’s no better in France:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/06/antisemitic-acts-have-exploded-in-france-since-7-october-interior-minister-says

While in Ireland, they're quite comfortable victim blaming:

https://x.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1949702054043144254

The evidence is there, if you just do a quick Google. It's not slanderous, it's fact.. and I am not sure why you are going straight to wild accusations rather than just doing a quick fact quick yourself.

Unfortunately this is the problem we see commonly: people do not want to accept anything that does not fit into their own narrative, and lack the critical thinking skills to critically appraise information.

Here are just a few examples of the blatant Anti-Semitism at these marches:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13927983/amp/Outrage-Palestinian-demonstrators-mass-London-proudly-wielding-anti-Semitic-placards.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/31/swastikas-met-police-pro-palestinian-march-anti-semitism/

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/met-police-hunting-protesters-racist-posters-pro-palestinian-march-k73bf060d

Thank you for the solidarity. I would take the police just charging them and a suitable criminal punishment, but I doubt that will even happen in the current climate.

I have posted the links above. There are many more articles if you do a quick Google. It's not a myth, and I find it quite offensive that you doubt my experiences. I stated clearly that I witnessed people holding placards with swastikas (often over the Star of David) when I came across these marches accidentally. The reality is that they are very hard to avoid in London.

They are unfortunately illustrating my initial observation, that there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism. They will obfuscate, minimise, deny, and try to derail.

I read all three articles and there is just one instance where a woman is holding a placard which has a Star of David morphed into the swastika.

I agree it’s offensive because she is likening Israel to Nazi Germany but she is not saying she’s a Nazi.

I don’t see how one instance translates into weekly marches with swastikas everywhere.

Perfectly put !!