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To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

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Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 14:04

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

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Voxon · 27/07/2025 20:14

A few people have mentioned racism to other groups. I'm sure it happens. I've seen it happen

But I've not since the 70s seem crowds or people emboldened to openly racially abuse people.

I've not seen people accuse other groups of lying.

The point is, like you say, there's no allies for Jews. They're sneered at generally if they even mention it and its perfectly socially acceptable- trendy even - to bully them.

That's what's so sinister.

stonecutter · 27/07/2025 20:35

I am increasingly worried at the direction things are going.

It started off as “I am criticising the Israeli government not Jews” but it’s shifted to “well that specific incidence of antisemitism was wrong because they’re Jews but they’re not Israelis” as if Israeli citizens would deserve it.

When you call this out, people quote polls stating that Israelis support “what is happening”. When you look into it, a lot of polls are being quoted are taken out of context, misquoted, mistranslated etc. Even leaving the reliability of the polls aside, I find it a very strange argument for pro-Palestinian people to make given the polls showing support for Hamas in Gaza after October 7th.

Then they say “well that’s because they’re oppressed so it’s understandable” without a hint of irony considering Jewish history.

Then they’ll mention settlers and settler violence. I don’t support settlers at all. You can say the government hasn’t done enough and even argue they’ve encouraged it - but some civilians doing bad things doesn’t mean everyone who lives in a country is responsible. Just like how lots of Palestinian civilians took part in the October 7th attacks. It doesn’t mean then everyone is responsible right?

The oppressor vs oppressed narrative is so cemented that most people cannot see Israel as anything other than rich white evil colonisers rubbing their hands together with glee. This isn’t helped by the number of TikTok historians around who have really no clue about the history of it all.

When people say that they are criticising the Israeli government, often they’re not saying “a proportionate response would have looked like x” or “they should have done X to allow aid in” or “I believe war crimes have been committed” or “I don’t believe Netenyahu wants the war to end” or even “I think Netanyahu is a massive psychopath”.

It is that often they’re saying that Israel is uniquely evil (both the government and everyone living there), that Israel should not exist, that if Iran did wipe them out they’d deserve it. They deny atrocities that took place on October 7th including those literally captured on video. They see any concern for the hostages as not caring about Gaza and accuse you of seeing Gazans as lesser humans. They often are unwilling to acknowledge or condemn even the brutal murder of the Bibas family nor the horrific parades that took place handing the hostages or the bodies back.

I have seen online communities banning people for pointing out during the “14000 dead babies” fiasco that the claim was untrue AFTER it had been retracted. I mean if anything - surely there’s enough truth out there that warrants outrage without needing to spread misinformation on purpose.

It’s not criticising the Israeli government’s actions that I have an issue with. It’s the extreme hatred of Israel’s existence that is very frightening.

And so now we have gone from the issue being “Israeli government” to “Zionists” to “Israelis” and now it’s already shifting and I increasingly just see “Jews”. This has already started being justified - as I predicted it would - with the claim that because most Jews are Zionists it’s ok to say it.

I do think that people are not understanding how tiring it is day to day when most Jews are politically homeless and the mainstream position is increasingly that Jews must prove they are the good kind of Jew by publicly and unequivocally denouncing Israel.

There is this whole side on the left who claims to believe in inclusivity - in believing a minority group when they tell you what is offensive. In allowing everyone to be themselves no matter what. Allowing people to define their own identity and culture. In embracing and celebrating diversity. It’s become increasingly apparent that they mean “everyone except Jews”.

These same people are the people who I see disbelieving accounts of hate crimes. They unfriend me when I post a story on social media about a European child being the victim of an antisemitic attack. They see no issue with Edinburgh Fringe stopping Jews from performing.

These are the people who go quiet when they find out a colleague is Jewish. They would refuse to do a business meeting with an Israeli company - something they would not refuse from anywhere else in the world. They’re people who - on cultural diversity day - would not allow an Israeli flag to be hung.

These are the people who say things out loud like “ a lot of Jews think they’re better than everyone” - something they would literally not say about any other minority. There is this massive hypocritical gap there in which their values apply to everyone except for Jews. And I mean to the extreme that I have seen my lefty friends chastise someone for stating that breeding kinks are a bit weird because - and I quote - “kink shaming isn’t cool”.

Of course it’s not everyone. Of course a lot of people really are just criticising the Israeli government and are desperately sad about the plight of Palestinians and want them to have their own state. It’s very likely that our positions are not actually that far apart, but I support Israel’s continued existence and do not buy into the black and white one sided narrative being pushed.

I find it interesting how often people say “well you have to look at it with context and understand the history of insert black people/Palestinians/trans people etc. and what they have been through to understand why they might feel that way. We need to listen to authentic voices and encourage representation.” Yet somehow within this narrative, Jews are NEVER the underdog or the persecuted or even a valid minority. They are never included in lists of minority groups who are treated badly.

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 21:40

stonecutter · 27/07/2025 20:35

I am increasingly worried at the direction things are going.

It started off as “I am criticising the Israeli government not Jews” but it’s shifted to “well that specific incidence of antisemitism was wrong because they’re Jews but they’re not Israelis” as if Israeli citizens would deserve it.

When you call this out, people quote polls stating that Israelis support “what is happening”. When you look into it, a lot of polls are being quoted are taken out of context, misquoted, mistranslated etc. Even leaving the reliability of the polls aside, I find it a very strange argument for pro-Palestinian people to make given the polls showing support for Hamas in Gaza after October 7th.

Then they say “well that’s because they’re oppressed so it’s understandable” without a hint of irony considering Jewish history.

Then they’ll mention settlers and settler violence. I don’t support settlers at all. You can say the government hasn’t done enough and even argue they’ve encouraged it - but some civilians doing bad things doesn’t mean everyone who lives in a country is responsible. Just like how lots of Palestinian civilians took part in the October 7th attacks. It doesn’t mean then everyone is responsible right?

The oppressor vs oppressed narrative is so cemented that most people cannot see Israel as anything other than rich white evil colonisers rubbing their hands together with glee. This isn’t helped by the number of TikTok historians around who have really no clue about the history of it all.

When people say that they are criticising the Israeli government, often they’re not saying “a proportionate response would have looked like x” or “they should have done X to allow aid in” or “I believe war crimes have been committed” or “I don’t believe Netenyahu wants the war to end” or even “I think Netanyahu is a massive psychopath”.

It is that often they’re saying that Israel is uniquely evil (both the government and everyone living there), that Israel should not exist, that if Iran did wipe them out they’d deserve it. They deny atrocities that took place on October 7th including those literally captured on video. They see any concern for the hostages as not caring about Gaza and accuse you of seeing Gazans as lesser humans. They often are unwilling to acknowledge or condemn even the brutal murder of the Bibas family nor the horrific parades that took place handing the hostages or the bodies back.

I have seen online communities banning people for pointing out during the “14000 dead babies” fiasco that the claim was untrue AFTER it had been retracted. I mean if anything - surely there’s enough truth out there that warrants outrage without needing to spread misinformation on purpose.

It’s not criticising the Israeli government’s actions that I have an issue with. It’s the extreme hatred of Israel’s existence that is very frightening.

And so now we have gone from the issue being “Israeli government” to “Zionists” to “Israelis” and now it’s already shifting and I increasingly just see “Jews”. This has already started being justified - as I predicted it would - with the claim that because most Jews are Zionists it’s ok to say it.

I do think that people are not understanding how tiring it is day to day when most Jews are politically homeless and the mainstream position is increasingly that Jews must prove they are the good kind of Jew by publicly and unequivocally denouncing Israel.

There is this whole side on the left who claims to believe in inclusivity - in believing a minority group when they tell you what is offensive. In allowing everyone to be themselves no matter what. Allowing people to define their own identity and culture. In embracing and celebrating diversity. It’s become increasingly apparent that they mean “everyone except Jews”.

These same people are the people who I see disbelieving accounts of hate crimes. They unfriend me when I post a story on social media about a European child being the victim of an antisemitic attack. They see no issue with Edinburgh Fringe stopping Jews from performing.

These are the people who go quiet when they find out a colleague is Jewish. They would refuse to do a business meeting with an Israeli company - something they would not refuse from anywhere else in the world. They’re people who - on cultural diversity day - would not allow an Israeli flag to be hung.

These are the people who say things out loud like “ a lot of Jews think they’re better than everyone” - something they would literally not say about any other minority. There is this massive hypocritical gap there in which their values apply to everyone except for Jews. And I mean to the extreme that I have seen my lefty friends chastise someone for stating that breeding kinks are a bit weird because - and I quote - “kink shaming isn’t cool”.

Of course it’s not everyone. Of course a lot of people really are just criticising the Israeli government and are desperately sad about the plight of Palestinians and want them to have their own state. It’s very likely that our positions are not actually that far apart, but I support Israel’s continued existence and do not buy into the black and white one sided narrative being pushed.

I find it interesting how often people say “well you have to look at it with context and understand the history of insert black people/Palestinians/trans people etc. and what they have been through to understand why they might feel that way. We need to listen to authentic voices and encourage representation.” Yet somehow within this narrative, Jews are NEVER the underdog or the persecuted or even a valid minority. They are never included in lists of minority groups who are treated badly.

Thank you, that's so insightful.

The rise in Anti-Semitism in this country just reinforces the need for Israel to exist, it will lead to more people making Aliyah.

I do really despair for the future of myself and my children in the UK.

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TaupeLemur · 27/07/2025 21:43

‘They would refuse to do a business meeting with an Israeli company - something they would not refuse from anywhere else in the world. ’

I would avoid an Israeli company right now
with a barge pole for several reasons but yes MORAL reasons would be part of that. But NO they would not be the only one - Russia is another one,
for obvious reasons. Just as we had sanctions against South African during apartheid -
hitting countries economically is sometimes the only way to protest.

nomas · 27/07/2025 21:58

Voxon · 27/07/2025 20:14

A few people have mentioned racism to other groups. I'm sure it happens. I've seen it happen

But I've not since the 70s seem crowds or people emboldened to openly racially abuse people.

I've not seen people accuse other groups of lying.

The point is, like you say, there's no allies for Jews. They're sneered at generally if they even mention it and its perfectly socially acceptable- trendy even - to bully them.

That's what's so sinister.

Racists don’t discriminate. Have you heard what the EDL chant when marching?
Marching through areas like Tower Hamlets and chanting “Muslims out” and “Pakis out”.

TaupeLemur · 27/07/2025 22:07

‘I’ve not seen people accuse other groups of lying’

well that’s clearly nonsense. Have a read about Jess Carter and the racial abuse she suffered and then look at the literally 1000s of racist comments accusing her of ‘playing the race card’ or lying or saying THEY hadn’t seen any racism.
victims of homophobia, racism etc are
frequently accused of lying.

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 22:30

nomas · 27/07/2025 21:58

Racists don’t discriminate. Have you heard what the EDL chant when marching?
Marching through areas like Tower Hamlets and chanting “Muslims out” and “Pakis out”.

No, I haven't been to any EDL marches. I haven't accidentally come across them either, despite being regularly out and about in London.

I have however come across the weekly marches in central London, and other marches, including in my local area. They openly hold banners with swastikas and Anti-semitic slogans, and the police do not challenge this. They are regular and impossible to avoid, and designed to intimidate and promote hatred.

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nomas · 27/07/2025 22:41

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 22:30

No, I haven't been to any EDL marches. I haven't accidentally come across them either, despite being regularly out and about in London.

I have however come across the weekly marches in central London, and other marches, including in my local area. They openly hold banners with swastikas and Anti-semitic slogans, and the police do not challenge this. They are regular and impossible to avoid, and designed to intimidate and promote hatred.

A somewhat disingenuous response. You don’t have to have seen the marches, they’re documented in the press. What do you think happened at Southport?

Anti-semitism and Islamophobia are two sides of the same coin. The thread isn’t about Islamophobia, so I don’t want to derail it, but the pp saying there aren’t crowds of people racially abusing other groups is wrong,

www.thenational.scot/politics/24554284.tommy-robinson-rise-far-right-uk/

amicisimma · 27/07/2025 22:43

NellitheNelephant · 27/07/2025 17:11

I agree with you mostly, but would also say that black people are also raped and murdered for being black in the UK. We don't get told about every single murder and rape in the land. Only a few select crimes make the news. There is absolutely no point in trying to say that one group suffers more than another.

I do get however that anti-semitism might seem invisible or to go under the radar, but I never understand why comparing it to the way that we deal with other kinds of racism is helpful. Anti-black racism has been made so visible because of the efforts of black people, not because people prefer to campaign for anti-black racism over anti-semitism.

We know that a large number of young girls have been raped for being white, in the UK.

Does that affect the effect of antisemitism?

PurpleThistle7 · 27/07/2025 22:47

I am scared all day every day. I don’t know what burden I’ve put on my children and I hope I can be strong and protect them through whatever is coming next. There are plenty of people who understand this sort of fear for all sorts of reasons but it’s really hard to explain to people who have a different experience.

This thread has been a truly depressing read.

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 22:48

nomas · 27/07/2025 22:41

A somewhat disingenuous response. You don’t have to have seen the marches, they’re documented in the press. What do you think happened at Southport?

Anti-semitism and Islamophobia are two sides of the same coin. The thread isn’t about Islamophobia, so I don’t want to derail it, but the pp saying there aren’t crowds of people racially abusing other groups is wrong,

www.thenational.scot/politics/24554284.tommy-robinson-rise-far-right-uk/

It's not at all disingenuous. You are being disingenuous ignoring my concerns, making false equivalences, and trying to detail the thread.

The point is that the hate marches are impossible to avoid in London, as they are everywhere and so frequent. The edl marches are not.

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nomas · 27/07/2025 22:52

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 22:48

It's not at all disingenuous. You are being disingenuous ignoring my concerns, making false equivalences, and trying to detail the thread.

The point is that the hate marches are impossible to avoid in London, as they are everywhere and so frequent. The edl marches are not.

Let me try this again.

Voxon said that no other groups are racially abused by crowds.

I pointed out that the EDL organised marches, which have taken place throughout the country, have been reported by press as featuring chanting such as ‘Muslims out’ and ‘Pakis out’.

My post wasn’t even directed to you, it was directed to Voxon, so no idea why you think it’s aimed at you? And how is it a false equivalence?

I don’t want to derail the thread, but that doesn’t mean that people shouldn't be be corrected on inaccuracies.

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 23:04

nomas · 27/07/2025 22:52

Let me try this again.

Voxon said that no other groups are racially abused by crowds.

I pointed out that the EDL organised marches, which have taken place throughout the country, have been reported by press as featuring chanting such as ‘Muslims out’ and ‘Pakis out’.

My post wasn’t even directed to you, it was directed to Voxon, so no idea why you think it’s aimed at you? And how is it a false equivalence?

I don’t want to derail the thread, but that doesn’t mean that people shouldn't be be corrected on inaccuracies.

You said I was disingenuous. I wasn't.

I apologise if there was a misunderstanding, however there does seem to be a constant theme of demeaning the racism suffered by Jews by claiming that other groups' suffering is more important. I have already said it shouldn't be a race to the bottom.

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nomas · 27/07/2025 23:24

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 23:04

You said I was disingenuous. I wasn't.

I apologise if there was a misunderstanding, however there does seem to be a constant theme of demeaning the racism suffered by Jews by claiming that other groups' suffering is more important. I have already said it shouldn't be a race to the bottom.

I certainly didn’t mean to imply others have it worse. I only meant that the EDL marches are quite infamous now, so most people are aware of them.

Anyway, to avoid derailing any further, I hope they do catch the group who abused you.

Voxon · 27/07/2025 23:51

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 22:30

No, I haven't been to any EDL marches. I haven't accidentally come across them either, despite being regularly out and about in London.

I have however come across the weekly marches in central London, and other marches, including in my local area. They openly hold banners with swastikas and Anti-semitic slogans, and the police do not challenge this. They are regular and impossible to avoid, and designed to intimidate and promote hatred.

Same here. How many EDL marches have there been this year?

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 00:03

Voxon · 27/07/2025 23:51

Same here. How many EDL marches have there been this year?

What weekly marches are taking place in London where people hold swastikas?

Glowingup · 28/07/2025 04:20

What? People are marching weekly holding swastikas? Come on.
Given you previously started a thread that said that you believed the UK is now like 1930s Nazi Germany I think you are goading and trying to provoke a reaction by your threads.
People are pushing back reminding you of what other groups deal with because you make it clear that you don’t think any other group experiences anywhere near the racism that Jews do which just isn’t true and it’s clear that you won’t be satisfied until people say that you have it worse than anyone else. And that nobody cares about anything other than the Israel/palestine conflict when just three years ago people were hugely engaged with the Ukraine conflict, even opening their homes up to refugees. If you could show some evidence of these swastika marches that are taking place on a weekly basis in London, it would help.

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 06:19

I dislike all extreme politics....I think what really grates on me about anti semetism is that they bang on about the situation in the middle east and use that as a vehicle to express their hatred but they frame it as they're just so compassionate, they just hate babies dying, they're just against genocide, they're fundamentally kinder...what do you mean anti semetism? I just care about starving people...why are you weaponising anti semetism? The gaslighting is off the chart and designed to make us look hysterical.

Now don't get me wrong I loathe the far right...but I do find the left particularly odious in how they don't have the courage to own their hatred.

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 08:18

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 00:03

What weekly marches are taking place in London where people hold swastikas?

Go into London on a Saturday, and you will see them. The police turn a blind eye.

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TaupeLemur · 28/07/2025 08:20

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 22:30

No, I haven't been to any EDL marches. I haven't accidentally come across them either, despite being regularly out and about in London.

I have however come across the weekly marches in central London, and other marches, including in my local area. They openly hold banners with swastikas and Anti-semitic slogans, and the police do not challenge this. They are regular and impossible to avoid, and designed to intimidate and promote hatred.

Swastikas? I’m genuinely surprised this isn’t being reported. The Daily Mail should be all over this- you need to alert them.

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 08:20

Glowingup · 28/07/2025 04:20

What? People are marching weekly holding swastikas? Come on.
Given you previously started a thread that said that you believed the UK is now like 1930s Nazi Germany I think you are goading and trying to provoke a reaction by your threads.
People are pushing back reminding you of what other groups deal with because you make it clear that you don’t think any other group experiences anywhere near the racism that Jews do which just isn’t true and it’s clear that you won’t be satisfied until people say that you have it worse than anyone else. And that nobody cares about anything other than the Israel/palestine conflict when just three years ago people were hugely engaged with the Ukraine conflict, even opening their homes up to refugees. If you could show some evidence of these swastika marches that are taking place on a weekly basis in London, it would help.

If you look at the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, they have multiple photos.

As for the rest of your post, you just seem very hateful, what other thread?

I have never once said other groups don't experience racism. I have said that a race to the bottom isn't helpful for anyone.

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SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2025 08:31

People are pushing back reminding you of what other groups deal with because you make it clear that you don’t think any other group experiences anywhere near the racism that Jews do which just isn’t true

I disagree. I think that in London in 2025, anti-Jewish racism is more likely to lead to violence and assault than any other type of racism.
This isnt micro-aggressions, it's convoys driving through Jewish areas threatening the rape of their daughters over loudspeakers. It's security guards outside schools.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 08:45

TaupeLemur · 28/07/2025 08:20

Swastikas? I’m genuinely surprised this isn’t being reported. The Daily Mail should be all over this- you need to alert them.

It's been being reported everywhere for 18 months. Including the Daily Mail

Voxon · 28/07/2025 08:49

stonecutter · 27/07/2025 20:35

I am increasingly worried at the direction things are going.

It started off as “I am criticising the Israeli government not Jews” but it’s shifted to “well that specific incidence of antisemitism was wrong because they’re Jews but they’re not Israelis” as if Israeli citizens would deserve it.

When you call this out, people quote polls stating that Israelis support “what is happening”. When you look into it, a lot of polls are being quoted are taken out of context, misquoted, mistranslated etc. Even leaving the reliability of the polls aside, I find it a very strange argument for pro-Palestinian people to make given the polls showing support for Hamas in Gaza after October 7th.

Then they say “well that’s because they’re oppressed so it’s understandable” without a hint of irony considering Jewish history.

Then they’ll mention settlers and settler violence. I don’t support settlers at all. You can say the government hasn’t done enough and even argue they’ve encouraged it - but some civilians doing bad things doesn’t mean everyone who lives in a country is responsible. Just like how lots of Palestinian civilians took part in the October 7th attacks. It doesn’t mean then everyone is responsible right?

The oppressor vs oppressed narrative is so cemented that most people cannot see Israel as anything other than rich white evil colonisers rubbing their hands together with glee. This isn’t helped by the number of TikTok historians around who have really no clue about the history of it all.

When people say that they are criticising the Israeli government, often they’re not saying “a proportionate response would have looked like x” or “they should have done X to allow aid in” or “I believe war crimes have been committed” or “I don’t believe Netenyahu wants the war to end” or even “I think Netanyahu is a massive psychopath”.

It is that often they’re saying that Israel is uniquely evil (both the government and everyone living there), that Israel should not exist, that if Iran did wipe them out they’d deserve it. They deny atrocities that took place on October 7th including those literally captured on video. They see any concern for the hostages as not caring about Gaza and accuse you of seeing Gazans as lesser humans. They often are unwilling to acknowledge or condemn even the brutal murder of the Bibas family nor the horrific parades that took place handing the hostages or the bodies back.

I have seen online communities banning people for pointing out during the “14000 dead babies” fiasco that the claim was untrue AFTER it had been retracted. I mean if anything - surely there’s enough truth out there that warrants outrage without needing to spread misinformation on purpose.

It’s not criticising the Israeli government’s actions that I have an issue with. It’s the extreme hatred of Israel’s existence that is very frightening.

And so now we have gone from the issue being “Israeli government” to “Zionists” to “Israelis” and now it’s already shifting and I increasingly just see “Jews”. This has already started being justified - as I predicted it would - with the claim that because most Jews are Zionists it’s ok to say it.

I do think that people are not understanding how tiring it is day to day when most Jews are politically homeless and the mainstream position is increasingly that Jews must prove they are the good kind of Jew by publicly and unequivocally denouncing Israel.

There is this whole side on the left who claims to believe in inclusivity - in believing a minority group when they tell you what is offensive. In allowing everyone to be themselves no matter what. Allowing people to define their own identity and culture. In embracing and celebrating diversity. It’s become increasingly apparent that they mean “everyone except Jews”.

These same people are the people who I see disbelieving accounts of hate crimes. They unfriend me when I post a story on social media about a European child being the victim of an antisemitic attack. They see no issue with Edinburgh Fringe stopping Jews from performing.

These are the people who go quiet when they find out a colleague is Jewish. They would refuse to do a business meeting with an Israeli company - something they would not refuse from anywhere else in the world. They’re people who - on cultural diversity day - would not allow an Israeli flag to be hung.

These are the people who say things out loud like “ a lot of Jews think they’re better than everyone” - something they would literally not say about any other minority. There is this massive hypocritical gap there in which their values apply to everyone except for Jews. And I mean to the extreme that I have seen my lefty friends chastise someone for stating that breeding kinks are a bit weird because - and I quote - “kink shaming isn’t cool”.

Of course it’s not everyone. Of course a lot of people really are just criticising the Israeli government and are desperately sad about the plight of Palestinians and want them to have their own state. It’s very likely that our positions are not actually that far apart, but I support Israel’s continued existence and do not buy into the black and white one sided narrative being pushed.

I find it interesting how often people say “well you have to look at it with context and understand the history of insert black people/Palestinians/trans people etc. and what they have been through to understand why they might feel that way. We need to listen to authentic voices and encourage representation.” Yet somehow within this narrative, Jews are NEVER the underdog or the persecuted or even a valid minority. They are never included in lists of minority groups who are treated badly.

Bravo 👏

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 09:29

Voxon · 28/07/2025 08:45

It's been being reported everywhere for 18 months. Including the Daily Mail

Thank you Voxon. I wasn't sure if the reference to the daily mail was a dig from the other poster. It has been reported, people just aren't interested.

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