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To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

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Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 14:04

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

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nomas · 26/07/2025 17:20

SilenceOfTheTimTams · 26/07/2025 17:19

An FOI revealed notification to the police on 7 October 2023 of a planned demonstration a week later. The Palestine Solidarity Campaign admits that.

The poster said there were marches on the day of the attack, which is blatantly untrue.

SpaceRaccoon · 26/07/2025 17:38

The poster said there were marches on the day of the attack, which is blatantly untrue.

This is splitting hairs - the first applications were made while the attack was still ongoing:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/request-london-palestine-protest-during-october-7-attack-vfqg11qo

lovemeblender · 26/07/2025 17:45

DestituteDesperate · 25/07/2025 19:34

That genocide in being perpetrated by Arab Muslims in places like Darfur.

No one protesting when Bangladesh slaughtered Hindus.

No one protesting when Muslim militant targeted only Hindu tourists in Kashmir.

No one protesting at Turkey illegally occupying a European Union Member’s territory.

No one protesting at Muslims in Cages in China.

I see a common theme but don’t worry, you’ll have the UK singing ‘to the rivers’ and the police and political elite stand by and condone it.

They even introduced blasphemy via the back door because a certain book was burnt.

I guess this current political climate means we must be obtuse to reality.

There have been many protests about the above!

DestituteDesperate · 26/07/2025 17:50

lovemeblender · 26/07/2025 17:45

There have been many protests about the above!

Not in the UK especially London on such a large and violent scale as the Gaza protests.

zerofeeling · 26/07/2025 18:55

DestituteDesperate · 26/07/2025 17:50

Not in the UK especially London on such a large and violent scale as the Gaza protests.

You claimed that no one was protesting about those issues - that's not true.

DestituteDesperate · 26/07/2025 18:57

zerofeeling · 26/07/2025 18:55

You claimed that no one was protesting about those issues - that's not true.

semantics

zerofeeling · 26/07/2025 19:51

DestituteDesperate · 26/07/2025 18:57

semantics

Not at all. You made a claim and used it to justify your intolerance for the protests against the genocide in Gaza. Your claim has been proved false.

SpaceRaccoon · 27/07/2025 09:14

A comedian has been cancelled from performing at the Fringe Festival for being Jewish. I'm so profoundly disturbed at what is happening in 2025. Apparently his views - free the hostages, peace in the region - are incompatible with the venue's values, whatever they may be.

https://x.com/PhilipsComedy/status/1949195621774323790

https://x.com/PhilipsComedy/status/1949195621774323790

freakyfriday23 · 27/07/2025 09:43

You're brave OP. I haven't read through yet but am guessing the usual hard left jew haters have posted their usual bile. I'm wondering how many posts in until Gaza is mentioned or the usual suspects suggesting that jew hatred isn't a thing. Tbh my heart sinks when I see jewish related posts away from the safety of the Jewish board. I agree with you btw in that jew hatred has gone through the roof. I've never known so much. Always from one of 2 places. Never known anything like it. I don't look jewish so I get it in an indirect way as people spout off and assume I agree with them. Always funny to see their faces when I tell them I am of the Jewish faith 😄

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 27/07/2025 09:51

I’m sorry to say that I think there was always a significant element of anti-semitism in the U.K., but it was generally latent. But it’s ‘easy’ now to equate ‘anti-Semitic’ with ‘anti-Israeli’, so people who don’t - or don’t want to - understand the difference, feel free to give vent to their opinions.

sophistitroll · 27/07/2025 10:46

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 15:08

All the Jewish people I know are vocally and actively critics of Israel and pro Palestine and hate what is done in their name

Oh yawn...how many times do we have to hear this. Loads of Jewish people on the marches blah blah blah

I mean seriously that’s just BS made up by posters. The number of Jewish people who are pro Palestine and anti Israel and are vocal about it is minute yet all these people on MN know them all. Most Jewish people are pro Israel in that they believe in the existence of Israel. Many many are anti the current government and and feel the actions have gone way too far and will speak out about it. However they’re absolutely not out there flying Palestinian flags and attending marches because, bottom line, they know that Israel could one day be their only option for relatively safely from anti Semitism.

mumandmumber · 27/07/2025 12:27

sophistitroll · 27/07/2025 10:46

I mean seriously that’s just BS made up by posters. The number of Jewish people who are pro Palestine and anti Israel and are vocal about it is minute yet all these people on MN know them all. Most Jewish people are pro Israel in that they believe in the existence of Israel. Many many are anti the current government and and feel the actions have gone way too far and will speak out about it. However they’re absolutely not out there flying Palestinian flags and attending marches because, bottom line, they know that Israel could one day be their only option for relatively safely from anti Semitism.

Well said @sophistitroll
Every Jewish / Israeli person I know (lots! Family & friends) is critical & appalled at the Israeli Government’s actions, but they are Zionists (not a dirty word!). And they couldn’t be on those marches and they daren’t share anything on social media or anything. Because it feels too dangerous. For exactly the reasons you state.

DestituteDesperate · 27/07/2025 12:31

freakyfriday23 · 27/07/2025 09:43

You're brave OP. I haven't read through yet but am guessing the usual hard left jew haters have posted their usual bile. I'm wondering how many posts in until Gaza is mentioned or the usual suspects suggesting that jew hatred isn't a thing. Tbh my heart sinks when I see jewish related posts away from the safety of the Jewish board. I agree with you btw in that jew hatred has gone through the roof. I've never known so much. Always from one of 2 places. Never known anything like it. I don't look jewish so I get it in an indirect way as people spout off and assume I agree with them. Always funny to see their faces when I tell them I am of the Jewish faith 😄

I am really concerned about how cowardly people are, there seems to be rather little solidarity with the ordinary Jewish person on the street.

ironically, when I express my support to the Jewish community, people are shocked because I’m of mixed heritage and race and I’m a Catholic.

unfortunately, the Jewish community historically have been the punching bag for all and I just feel sorry that Jewish people in the UK who have nothing to do with a conflict in the Middle East, are being treated appallingly and it’s fashionable to do so.

lovemeblender · 27/07/2025 16:24

DestituteDesperate · 26/07/2025 17:50

Not in the UK especially London on such a large and violent scale as the Gaza protests.

I am in the UK, in a much smaller city than London and I have attended protests for the above, and I am by no means a social activist. There have been multiple large protests in London regarding the Uighurs.

NellitheNelephant · 27/07/2025 16:33

Voxon · 25/07/2025 09:34

YANBU

I think there's two issues.

First, people can't seem to apply the same moral standards to Jews as they do other minorities. They have a fantasy picture of Jews as rich and white, and therefore consider them suitable targets.

Secondly, all the organisations and people who are meant to "fight racism" are themselves antisemitic. And they've therefore refused to identify antisemitism within their own ranks.

I'm very sorry you're experiencing this. Many of us stand with you.

It is actually laughable to suggest that jewish people are more put upon than, say, black people. Diane Abbott tried to make this point and did it in the clumsiest of ways.

I don't think that a lot of people are knowingly anti-semitic, but I think that they could end up saying things that could be deemed anti-semitic because they haven't even understood that they are using certain anti-semitic tropes; again, Diane Abbott is a case in point in my opinion. She should actually know better, but there you go. What I mean is that it is actually very easy to come across as anti-semitic (even more so than, for example an anti-black racist) through sheer ignorance, especially if you are moved by the current plight of the Palestinian civilians. I know people hate anti-discrimination initiatives but I think the only way people can understand these things is to be educated and informed.

SpaceRaccoon · 27/07/2025 16:38

I don't think that a lot of people are knowingly anti-semitic, but I think that they could end up saying things that could be deemed anti-semitic because they haven't even understood that they are using certain anti-semitic tropes

Unfortunately a lot of social media is a cesspit of antisemitism, and it's got a lot worse recently.

It is actually laughable to suggest that jewish people are more put upon than, say, black people.

I don't find any of it laughable personally. It's two different issues, anyway - Jewish people are actually in physical danger at present. They have literally been raped and murdered for being Jewish recently in France, which I find deeply shocking.

CleverButScatty · 27/07/2025 16:45

PurpleThistle7 · 24/07/2025 14:50

I still have no idea what you mean. But I’m guessing I won’t like it.

I think they are referring to the misuse of the phrase anti-Semitic against anyone who opposes Israel's actions, that it has (wrongly) lost its impact in cases of actual anti-Semitism as in racism against Jews.

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 17:02

Voxon · 26/07/2025 11:49

I think there's an awful lot of denial going on with the group who are fuelling the antisemitism.

The simple fact is, directing disproportionate ire and hate at Israel can be a way of expressing antisemitism.

Why do I think these marches and protests do this rather than support humanitarian aims?

Because they started on the day Israel was invaded, before they'd launched a single missile in response.

Because they often include antisemitism signs, swastikas, antisemitic chants, heil hitler hand gestures.

Because those participating in them also participate in actions such as targeting Jewish businesses, and individuals or tearing down hostage posters.

Because they often deliberately positio themselves to intimidate Jews, for example by being outside sysnogues.

Because those engaging in the movement also engage in antisemitic tropes directed at either Jews, Israelis or Israel- for example, blood libel or comments about Jews controlling governments.

Because the volume and level of obsession is completely disproportionate.

The scale and frequency of pro-Palestine protests in the UK since October 2023 is completely unprecedented in modern British history.

No humanitarian crisis, conflict, or injustice, whether apartheid South Africa, the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, the Rohingya genocide, Syria, or Ukraine, has ever triggered such sustained, nationwide mobilisation.

Week after week, marches have filled central London and other cities, often drawing hundreds of thousands. In terms of turnout, consistency, and geographic spread, nothing comes close.

This is not a normal protest movement - it’s a mass mobilisation of a kind never seen before for any other global cause. That alone should raise questions as it smacks of an obvious truth that people are particularly interested in demonising the one Jewish state.

I think all of it is part of a concerted effort to target Jews for hate, from every aspect of life - trying to exclude them in schools or in work settings, trying to make them feel unsafe... to me it's no different to 1930s Germany in its intent and volume.

I think that unfortunately it's being done under the guise of moral superiority, but it's obvious to me what's going on.

I'm so sorry for Jewish people. Some of us are trying hard to speak up for you.

Absolutely, I fully agree.

There is so much misinformation, and downright untruths, spread about Israel.

The media is incredibly biased, and unfortunately most people lack the critical thinking skills to appraise what they read.

The misuse of the word 'genocide' is perhaps the biggest example of this, given how the death toll is not validated, nor is the number of civilians versus fighter deaths, and that there is nothing to qualify this claim even based on Hamas statistics.

By contrast, far more have died in Darfur, but it barely gets a mention. Few people in the West know about the conflict in Ethiopia and Eritrea either. There are many more examples, but when Jews cannot be blamed, the world is not interested.

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Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 17:05

NellitheNelephant · 27/07/2025 16:33

It is actually laughable to suggest that jewish people are more put upon than, say, black people. Diane Abbott tried to make this point and did it in the clumsiest of ways.

I don't think that a lot of people are knowingly anti-semitic, but I think that they could end up saying things that could be deemed anti-semitic because they haven't even understood that they are using certain anti-semitic tropes; again, Diane Abbott is a case in point in my opinion. She should actually know better, but there you go. What I mean is that it is actually very easy to come across as anti-semitic (even more so than, for example an anti-black racist) through sheer ignorance, especially if you are moved by the current plight of the Palestinian civilians. I know people hate anti-discrimination initiatives but I think the only way people can understand these things is to be educated and informed.

It is not laughable, it is fact based on current statistics of hate crime in this country. It shouldn't be a competition though. A race to the bottom does not help anyone.

Calling it 'laughable' is incredibly offensive, to those who are experiencing Anti-Semitism, and have in the past. Please open your history book, and look at the pogroms in Eastern Europe, followed by the Holocaust, and educate yourself.

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NellitheNelephant · 27/07/2025 17:11

SpaceRaccoon · 27/07/2025 16:38

I don't think that a lot of people are knowingly anti-semitic, but I think that they could end up saying things that could be deemed anti-semitic because they haven't even understood that they are using certain anti-semitic tropes

Unfortunately a lot of social media is a cesspit of antisemitism, and it's got a lot worse recently.

It is actually laughable to suggest that jewish people are more put upon than, say, black people.

I don't find any of it laughable personally. It's two different issues, anyway - Jewish people are actually in physical danger at present. They have literally been raped and murdered for being Jewish recently in France, which I find deeply shocking.

I agree with you mostly, but would also say that black people are also raped and murdered for being black in the UK. We don't get told about every single murder and rape in the land. Only a few select crimes make the news. There is absolutely no point in trying to say that one group suffers more than another.

I do get however that anti-semitism might seem invisible or to go under the radar, but I never understand why comparing it to the way that we deal with other kinds of racism is helpful. Anti-black racism has been made so visible because of the efforts of black people, not because people prefer to campaign for anti-black racism over anti-semitism.

Comedycook · 27/07/2025 17:17

I dread to think what the statistics for anti semetic hate crime would be if we were always immediately identifiable as Jewish...I know obviously some people are visibly Jewish...so sorry I really dislike that term...but absolutely many us go about our day to day lives without anyone knowing. Sometimes I walk down the street and wonder what would happen to me if people knew or how would I be treated? As it is I have had many people say terrible things to me assuming I'm not Jewish and will nod/laugh along.

Dideon · 27/07/2025 17:25

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SpaceRaccoon · 27/07/2025 17:33

I don’t think you were at a tube station.

Do you disbelieve all victims of hate crimes, or just the Jewish ones?

Longingdreamer · 27/07/2025 20:08

SpaceRaccoon · 27/07/2025 17:33

I don’t think you were at a tube station.

Do you disbelieve all victims of hate crimes, or just the Jewish ones?

Thank you @SpaceRaccoon , you got there quicker than I did!

A Londoner at a tube station is hardly far fetched, sadly not is a Jew experiencing Anti-Semitism in London.

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