To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

[Longingdreamer]

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

DH has spend a number of months working in various middle eastern and gulf states. All strongly Muslim as you expect. No protests against Israeli military actions, sympathy for innocent women and children suffering, but none of the demonstrations, volluable dissent, hate, rage and apparent need to display your feelings. No damage to businesses who may trade with Israel, and considerable anger towards Hamas.

You're right.

It's not OK.

I hope they have gone home with regrets and sit in the comfortability of their non-action for a while so that, if they ever find themselves in such a position again, they do better.

You realise that you are saying 'Jews get out' and how offensive, and racist you are?

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 19:39
I think if you support the actions of Israel against Palestine, the land grab and the killing of Palestinians, then yes. You should.
If you support the existence of Israel, but think the current drive to wipe out Palestine is wrong, then that is very different.
In the same way, pro-apartheid South Africans, would not have been welcome in the UK. Those not supporting racist and violent political systems are of course welcome.

So do you support the wiping out of Palestine @Comedycook ?

21% of Israelis are not Jewish, just like 19% of British are not white.

Just like criticism of the British government isn’t anti-white or anti Christian or anti-British way of life and values, neither is criticism of the Israeli government antisemitism or anti Jewish way of life when the criticism is of a sort we’d make of any other government doing similar actions.

Pretty much everyone who criticises Israel’s government for their possibly criminal conduct of the Gaza conflict, has also criticised the same possible or proven criminal conduct in other world conflicts, present and past respectively.

But they would have been south African by nationality? You seem to be saying British citizens should have to leave the UK?

talking about the genocide of Palestinians is NOT antisemitic. We should be screaming about Israel’s starving of Gazan’s from the rooftops. Not worrying about being called antisemitic for calling murder murder and a genocide genocide.
All bigotry is wrong, whether someone is being singled out for being gay, or Muslim, or not white and no-one here would argue otherwise.

Your clarification has helped mitigate your statement significantly, and I acknowledge that British left wing folks frequently misuse the term "Zionist" in good faith, because the false definition of it is baked into British left wing discourse.

But you still seem to be saying "If you're a Jew who supports Israel's current actions, you should go back to your own country" (even if you have never lived there...)

While I do not agree with Netanyahu's supporters, I still think that, if you reflect, you'll realize your attitude is a racist one.

I think if you support the destruction of Palestine, then you should put your money where your mouth is.

You're being very cagey about your belief.

Or someone could just hold the belief that Israel has the right to exist? Should that person leave? Just curious.

Oh just go away. Racists are not welcome here.

I agree that a lot of people have become very comfortable with anti-semitism. For example, a Facebook friend, who would view himself as a very decent, left-wing man, gave an opinion about Gaza then wrote "If that makes me anti-semitic, so be it". There was absolutely no need for the last sentence at all, he was just enjoying himself.

You're being very cagey about who you think should leave the country.

I'm British born to British born parents. I'm a Zionist.

Once again are you saying I should leave the UK... because earlier in the thread you said Zionists should live in Israel?

'Obviously'? And yet time and again people equate criticism of Israel with 'antisemitism' which completely ignores the many Jews who detested what Israel was doing in Palestine long before the current genocide.

Most bystanders do nothing when any crime is happening.
You can beat, stab, murder someone and all anyone might do is film it on their phone.
Women are regularly sexually assaulted on the Tube.

I think it’s gotten worse over the past few years.

I have reported their post, and I suggest ignoring them.

They don't seem to understand the irony that on a thread about Anti-Semitism in the UK, they are openly call for Jews to be expelled from the UK. They are an Anti-Semite. I have no time for racists.

But they could still be Zionist. Zionist doesn't mean that you agree with absolutely everything the Israeli government does.

Supporting the existence of Israel is one thing. But supporting the wiping out of a race of people and 'absorbing' their country through theft, murder and genocide is not acceptable.

Express that view in public and see how people react.

Express that view on an anonymous social media forum for that matter...

Given you’re saying that your life was actually threatened and there’s CCTV footage etc then shouldn’t take the police too long to track down the alleged perpetrators and deal with it. the tube CCTV is crystal clear, luckily. So easy to ID people, particularly with facial recognition AI.

Exactly. I bet the people calling this antisemitism have no issue with criticising Trump or Putin or human rights abuses in China. I mean do you not listen to yourselves. Nobody is allowed to criticise this one country but every other one is fair game?

But do you support the current genocide? That is the question.

What does Zionism mean?

You really tied yourself up in knots didn't you when you said Zionists should live in Israel...it's very amusing reading your posts and the mental gymnastics and word salad you're now having to employee.

It's all very student politics.... perhaps it's best to realise you're not great at debating.

Maybe. However, calling out a government for engaging in, by their own admission, ethnic cleansing is not one of them.
Nobody accepted it from Milošević.

The world is appalled by BN and his government not by the Jewish people. The world is appalled by the actions of the IDF, not by the existence of Israel. Nobody is calling for the abolition or extermination of Israel. We’re asking the Israeli government to stop starving and murdering innocent people including thousands of children. None of that is antisemitic. Antisemitism is when people like the OP and her children are abused in the street simply because they are Jewish!