To think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike? Thread 2

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Rolling this over as people still seem to have something to say but no new poll.

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AIBU to think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike?

Last year they got more than anyone else in the NHS along with an improved deal. Nurses and other AHPs received lower rises.

BMA have just announced another 'resident' doctor strike continuing to chase pay restoration to 2008 levels.

Having just had the major win with changes to IMG prioritisation and the clamp-down on PAs it feels a bit tone-deaf and I can't see Streeting going for it.

@stuffedpeppers I disagree with it and think people who do think some Unis aren't good enough are just rampant snobs.

@Sevillian I'm assuming you don't have a job ? Who gets to 'get away early' on a random Friday ? Strange employment rules.

This is a bit incoherent. But to be clear, in my opinion (which you don't like me having) :

No medical schools need closing

UKG should get first choice if jobs, following usual criteria (so they have oases exams, points etc), and then remaining jobs should be allocated. No ind guaranteed any job.

The GMC regulates all courses, all new courses are led by an established Uni for a minimum of 5 years, and I trust the people in charge to know what they are

Clear ? Good.

So did all my other DC. The school called for a review of this paper and found that as suspected, the marking was wanting, not the content.

Stop being so utterly childish mumsneedwine. No mic drop at all. The A* was equally merited - an entire section had not been awarded marks (and was subsequently awarded full marks).

This is a bit incoherent. And, as usual, contains personal insults. I really hope you communicate with your patients better. But to be clear, in my opinion (which you don't like me having) :

No medical schools need closing. Not sure of the rational behind expansion if they don't increase foundation places and jobs.

UKG should get first choice of jobs, following usual criteria (so they have passed exams, points etc), and then remaining jobs should be allocated. No ons is guaranteed any job. Just like every other country in the world.

The GMC regulates all courses, all new courses are led by an established Uni for a minimum of 5 years, and I trust the people in charge to know what they are doing.

If people don't think some Unis are doing a good job then they should do something about it, not just moan on MN.

Clear ? Good.

Almost everyone I know likes to leave early on a bank holiday Friday esp this one where the roads are notoriously bad. Obviously ability to leave early will depend on sector but lots of people take annual leave as well. You don't need to, being a part time teacher with uber long holidays.

@Sevillianstill going ? If your HT send a paper out anywhere he was a total idiot and should have lost his job. All those lovely A stars and not an ounce of common sense (v often the case I find). Shall we do an A star face off ? My DC got more than your DC so there. 👶

I think your opinions are terrific. I particularly like the dogmatic delivery.

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My family couldn't care less, but I don't think that would be possible tbh.

Also: replying. Sightly different from 'keeping going'. Although that would be entirely my prerogative.

@mumsneedwine it is ridiculous 😂

mumsneedwine since we were both thanked for drawing the matter to the attention of the exam board and the Sec of State, I think we can safely say no-one who mattered gave a toss.

Shock horror MPs respond to emails during holidays.

This kerfuffle around marking is interesting.

Resubmission of papers is to ensure that marking guidance was followed and this is quite enough to deal with.

Missed pages are a significant part of the story. Because, for all of our faults, I have never heard of a missed page making it through the triple checks imposed by my university, I have been enquiring about this on another thread. It seems that a very small error rate, accruing to hundreds of thousands of missed pages each year over GCSE and A level, is the price of efficiency. Or perhaps no one has given the full story yet.

Teacher overwork must be taken into account. Therefore in practical terms it seems reasonable to prioritise review for candidates who are very near grade boundaries, candidates who call the school’s attention to a potential marking problem, and candidates who are more likely to lack competent adult support for exam review in their personal lives. The last group will surely involve a disproportionate number of WP pupils. So on this one I am with @mumsneedwine

However I am extremely glad that @Sevillian got attention called to the issue of missing pages at the highest level and I cannot see what the fuss is about. Having done a candidate this disservice it would be embarrassing to attempt to hide behind GDPR

Finally, @mumsneedwine , you seem to have been bragging about DS having more A stars than others. The only number I could see mentioned for others was four. That would mean DS had at least five.

This is potentially outing. There is an FOI request online showing that in 2022 only 77 candidates got five or more A stars. This can be refined in ways I will not discuss. If you wish to delete that post, I will then edit this one.

PS @mumsneedwine Obviously I don’t know DS’ year. My point is that if someone really wanted to find you, I think they could.

poetryandwine the section in question was about half a page long, possibly one third. Not long, but the striking thing was the fact that on appeal
the second marker winged it through and clearly couldn’t be bothered to even read through the paper.

As far as university marking goes, there were definitely hard cases at my youngest’s Oxford college with the single marking of humanities papers in 2023.

(But just before any poster tries to have a degree classification ‘face off’, maybe I should point out that my own DD got a double first. It was friends of hers who were affected).

Sally Phillips the comedian also got a double first from Oxford . Hers was in Italian.

😂😂😂😂 oh dear. Obviously wasn't medicine if they got a double first - not just a first but double !

V proud mummy right there.

Debate is fine, different opinions is fine but this is descending into a teenage girl bitch fight.

A long way from the purpose of this thread which is the BMA REsident doctors committee have got it wrong!

@poetryandwine and I don't have a DS so wasn't me bragging about 5 A stars, think you'll find that was someone else 😂.

Missing pages unfortunately happen every year when 50 million+ pages are scanned. Not sure how human error can be accounted for. We've had whole papers go missing (it's why you keep the mocks under lock and key, just in case we need to argue a grade for this reason).

@stuffedpeppers my day is being spent with lovely medical students and doctors, and a few extremely lovely consultants. We are discussing ways to improve WP and also their ideas on how training etc can be improved.

Let's hope Wes and the BMA can have just as constructive discussions.

No, it was a humanities subject. Obviously you can’t get a first at Oxford in Medicine.

Technically not a double first if it was Italian from Oxford. A first in prelims and finals so excellent nonetheless.

MNHQ will certainly be able to confirm that I don’t send PMs and I’m quite sure that they’re able to look at PMs too, to ascertain their content. Please could you therefore clarify that you aren’t implying that the person interested in who you are is me mumsneedwine. As far as I’m concerned you can’t make stuff all you like, but this type of post is mad.