To think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike? Thread 2

[Locutus2000]

Rolling this over as people still seem to have something to say but no new poll.

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AIBU to think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike?

Last year they got more than anyone else in the NHS along with an improved deal. Nurses and other AHPs received lower rises.

BMA have just announced another 'resident' doctor strike continuing to chase pay restoration to 2008 levels.

Having just had the major win with changes to IMG prioritisation and the clamp-down on PAs it feels a bit tone-deaf and I can't see Streeting going for it.

We can all talk about our own kids experience with maths. But there are many successful doctors who don't have it so it's not vital. Helpful in some places maybe, but those 3% of Oxford students without biology are still Oxford students.

Aptitude for maths is not A level maths. Most students who are good at sciences will also be reasonably good at maths (especially if they take physics).
So it's an aptitude that needed not the exam ? UCAT tests for the former.

You and the other strong women/ mothers are the protest movement I referred to mumsneedwine, with respect :)

I have to say I personally don't feel any more sorry for medical school graduates who can't pursue their chosen career than all those in other subjects such as law. I just find the fact that they're told that they're all awesome pretty grating - and very unfair on them in the long run too. So, over to you.

Yes, I mean both these DC were 12A* students right at the top of their selective cohort - so, quite a pronounced aptitude in both case tbf.

Indeed. Who've been able to get through a series of highly academic interviews which are of a very different nature to those at almost all other medical schools. It's quite a sharp filter.

@Sevillian but I don't think there's anything wrong with any medical schools?? You do. So why would I try and change things - I would if I believed there was something wrong.

Surely you don't advocate sending students to any Uni you deem sub standard, so with your WP hat on how do you not allow students to apply to those Unis ? Do you tell them that they will become worse doctors if they go to XX Uni ?

Mumsneedwine, again this belief that stats tell you everything. They don't. And if used blindly can be very misleading.

Also causology. Because DD has maths she has used it. Her friend with double maths then studied epidemiology.

All students considering a long term medical career should be looking at the top medical schools. WP is not about setting students up to fail. The students I've dealt with are the sort of students who should be capable of an offer from one of the top medical schools.

That's lovely. That's a lot of GCSEs so assume private schools ? Selective ? Not the experience of the majority of students. Most only get to take 8/9, but then you know this from your WP role. An aptitude for maths isn't really that unusual for any student taking science A levels. But it is different from having an A level.

We know you love Oxford and think it's better than others, and that's lovely. I don't, but maybe that's because I didn't go to private school (although did go to Oxford 😂).

@Sevillian 'top medical schools' as defined by who ? You ? You must deal with a strange WP cohort as you are shutting out so many Foundation/Gateway options for them if limiting the Unis.

All Unis require virtually the same grades, mostly a similar UCAT, so if they can get into Plymouth they can get into UCL.

No not private. State grammar. If you know anything about WP you'll know the mission that the top state grammars such as QEB, Pate's etc have been on for a long time in terms of access. Their programmes mirror the Oxford and Cambridge blueprint. It's central to their ethos.

Think before you slip into being rude (again).

Your constant repetition of grade requirements is as lacking in depth as your constant repetition of headline data. You really would benefit from a bit of depth and context. It's quite worrying how you misrepresent (although mercifully you're getting nowhere on these threads).

I think the medical school rankings are fairly generally accepted as being a reasonable measure.

A lot of people could make the same claim about going to Oxford, and quite truthfully.

@Sevillianhow was I rude ? I asked a question ?

What is this Oxford and Cambs blueprint ? And even State grammars have a v v different cohort to majority of schools. 3% PP at Pates and 4 % at Barnet are v low. My school is nearer 40%.

@Sevillian you do like calling me a liar don't you 😂. Strange behaviour. But makes you happy so 🤷‍♀️

Yes, I know nothing about Medicine grade requirements. Nothing at all. You've 'glanced' at my spreadsheet that I update every year for my students, and share for free for anyone who wants it, but I don't know anything at all 😂😂😂😂. You don't like it, so don't look at it or use it. It's so v simple.

Why are you not as active on the Medicine admissions threads on here ? Please pop over as I know so little. I'm sure they'd all welcome you telling them I'm wrong.

I don't think there is a league table of Unis. You do. We will never agree on that.

Assume you also do free mock interviews/run MMI sessions via the medic WP organisations ?

I don't know, I have only rarely used the GMC register and only then to look up where and when individuals qualified. I suspect it may be too blunt an instrument for what you may have in mind. The varied career intentions of medical students, and UKFP destination reports, suggest that is probably so.

I'm also suspicious about its accuracy. I was dually accredited but only listed for one.

I absolutely did not call you a liar.

I simply said a lot of people could make the same claim.

The blueprint is shorthand for the strategy the two unis use. It's not a complicated term.

FSM/ PP is a fairly crude measure.

As I've said many time. PP/FSM are not the only reasons WP exists. Glad you agree.

mumsneedwine could you possibly stop talking about your alleged prowess in WP because it's really quite the derail, and definitely a bit of a puzzle since you say that neither your school nor your academy trust have endorsed you and that you act 'as an individual'. That is definitely unusual.

But yes of course students have access to this sort of thing. It's basic.

Nope. I'll continue talking about WP every day. It is too important not to. So if don't like it then just by pass it.

Off to analysis more scripts. Been doing it for a week, and do it for ALL our WP candidates and school pays for rechecks if we deem it close. Levels that playing field just a little bit more.

Although does mean I have to read some of my students answers which are quite frankly weird ! What colour is sodium does not have the answer Yes 😩.

@Sevillian This thread is a riot, but entertaining as it is, do you think that there is a future in trying to explain things to someone who appears to have a fixed belief that:

Science and non-science qualifications are equally valid requirements for medicine, and maths beyond GCSE is unhelpful;

Entrants to medicine are of equal standard;

Medical degrees are of equal standard;

Their content is unaffected by the preferences and aptitudes of students;

All medical graduates should have jobs and if they don't succeed it is the fault of consultants (or foreign graduates);

And that there is no evidence relating to entrance requirements for medicine and future performance - but she "might ask a few Unis" for some "stats"?

’Off to analysis’?