Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

I am not sure I agree that Teachers have absolutely exhausting jobs - much more so than most jobs - as said by man on r4 this morning

1000 replies

RevolutionHere · 20/07/2025 20:37

i am not sure what my dh, former welder would make of this statement

this is an argument regarding long summer holidays,

OP posts:
cardibach · 23/07/2025 12:15

UnhappyHobbit · 23/07/2025 08:42

And yet if we non teachers told teachers to leave, that would be outrageous according to this thread and others.

Not outrageous. Nobody said that. What they said was teachers are leaving, and others aren’t choosing to train. Hence the recruitment and retention crisis. If you think those leaving are weak whingers with an easy job there’s a great opportunity for you here, isn’t there?

Walkaround · 23/07/2025 12:15

Tbh, doctors appear to be turning into the whiniest profession of them all in the UK. The OP is a doctor.

cardibach · 23/07/2025 12:19

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 09:08

I'd say the guy on radio 4 made the original comparison. I think teaching has difficult elements as do all professional roles. I'd be happy for an argument for higher pay. But the teachers are the hardest working tiredest people on earth trope is annoying. I think it's that constant comparison that annoys people.

Where has anyone - including radio guy - said it’s the hardest, most exhausting job on earth? More exhausting than most jobs was the comparison. Not all.

StillAGoth · 23/07/2025 12:23

Walkaround · 23/07/2025 12:15

Tbh, doctors appear to be turning into the whiniest profession of them all in the UK. The OP is a doctor.

Edited

The OP said she hadn't been to university.

ilovesooty · 23/07/2025 12:30

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 23/07/2025 08:56

And you’ve not convinced anyone that this isn’t just your bog standard teacher bashing thread regardless of how you’ve tried to dress it up.

And she's popped in to ignite it again. I'm sure @RevolutionHere that with a bit more nudging you can get it to 1000 posts. 🙄

ridl14 · 23/07/2025 12:32

RevolutionHere · 20/07/2025 20:37

i am not sure what my dh, former welder would make of this statement

this is an argument regarding long summer holidays,

My brother is a welder, physical work is tiring but you get breaks in the day and don't bring work home with you.

As a teacher, I think it depends on your school, your responsibilities and what boundaries you set. To have some semblance of work-life balance you can risk performance management because you're not turning around marking quickly enough; poor behaviour if you haven't spent as much time updating or printing lesson resources; your colleagues will see you as a slacker; you lose trust from the kids because they want assessments graded ASAP, engaging lessons, instant feedback and your attention in class even though you have multiple large groups all day.

Definitely not the hardest job in the world but it's one everyone has an opinion about. You have to do so much unpaid overtime and the standards are constantly changing. A lot of scrutiny from many directions and it's fast-paced and intense. I never needed to use my annual leave when I worked in the private and charity sectors, in teaching I'm burnt out by the holidays.

I'm going back part time after mat leave and think I will struggle to adjust.

Walkaround · 23/07/2025 12:33

ilovesooty · 23/07/2025 12:30

And she's popped in to ignite it again. I'm sure @RevolutionHere that with a bit more nudging you can get it to 1000 posts. 🙄

They can always be helped along the way.

Thatsalineallright · 23/07/2025 12:52

piscofrisco · 23/07/2025 09:07

As it happens both my SIL are teachers. One primary and one secondary and both have told me several times that no job is more exhausting or worthwhile than theirs. And ever single radio phone in I’ve ever heard on the subject ( a fair few when I driving round between families) backs this atitude up, as per the op’s post.

im very sure it is exhausting. I did a few taster days at a secondary school once and didn’t enjoy it especially. But it’s not more tiring than lots of other jobs, and it does come with perks such as 12 weeks off which are unheard of anywhere else. Teachers don’t have it worse than lots of other vocational type roles is my point. It’s bad for us all. But the perks of teaching do exist in a way they don’t for social workers and NHS nurses etc (though don’t get me started on NHS t and c compared to social care either).

I did a few taster days in social work once. It was fine, no stress, don't know what social workers are complaining about.

Does that sound reasonable to you? Or do you think just maaaybe a couple of days in a taster job with none of the long-term responsibilities that drain your time and energy isn't at all representative of the real job?

Petitchat · 23/07/2025 16:03

I feel despairing about the world as a whole. I'm a pensioner now and I feel particularly sad about the perceivement of teachers in the UK nowadays.

There's good and bad in all jobs so it's pointless just having a go at the few bad teachers, like they do on some threads.

I'm sad and despairing because when I was young and children growing up, teachers used to be so admired and respected. After all, they're teaching and helping to raise our future aren't they?
In my view it has to be one of the most important professions going.

We used to work together with schools and there was a rapport which has been lost somewhere along the way?
I don't know when it started to change?
But it never used to be anything like it is today.

People may think I've had it easy because of less sen in those days.
On the contrary, my eldest (now 50) had difficulties not recognised at that time. But he had 2 brilliant teachers who worked with us and together we improved DS learning and happiness in school.
I'll never forget them.

25 years later I had another DS with difficulties (recognised this time as autism) and the Senco and teacher made a right mess of things.
I'm still annoyed with them but that doesn't mean all teachers are bad.
Teachers (in my opinion) do a really important and good job but seem to be scapegoats at the moment for parents to have a go at!

They are raising our kids, supposedly alongside us. But parents would rather work against them.

Even with the problems I had with a couple of teachers, I have the common sense to realise that other than family, teachers are the MOST IMPORTANT people in our kids lives.

Education is flawed now, due to the governments lack of support, less resources and not providing more sen assistance.
But that's not teachers faults. They're doing their best in very difficult conditions.
We should be supporting them, not coming on mumsnet specifically to put them down?

Of course it's one of the most exhausting jobs going. Physically, emotionally and mentally. Common sense tells us all that.
How many of us have done a kids party or outing, been run ragged, exhausted and needed a few days to recover?
Teachers do that day after day, month after month, year in year out.

As for holidays, they probably need a week at least to wind down. I would!!
Then there's marking, planning etc..
I'll bet there's not much of the hol left for themselves.
I had a friend who was teaching and she had a nervous breakdown, needed mental health treatment and never went back.

But for some reason, the respect for teachers has gone, the admiration has gone. The parents support for them has gone.

Having a go at people who are close to our kids?
Making it a competion as to whose job is hardest?
Welders might be hard working but they're not teaching and helping to raise our future, are they?

Ffs, get things in perspective!

We're in sad times really......

piscofrisco · 23/07/2025 16:11

Thatsalineallright · 23/07/2025 12:52

I did a few taster days in social work once. It was fine, no stress, don't know what social workers are complaining about.

Does that sound reasonable to you? Or do you think just maaaybe a couple of days in a taster job with none of the long-term responsibilities that drain your time and energy isn't at all representative of the real job?

That’s why I said I didn’t enjoy it especially and I also can see how teaching is tiring. where have I said I understand teaching fully from those few days other than to say the above? my point is it isn’t worse than lots of other vocational jobs-it’s probably equal in term of being stressful and tiring, but everyone else doesn’t get 12 weeks off to recover a year.

piscofrisco · 23/07/2025 16:13

cardibach · 23/07/2025 12:12

You understand that there is no conflict between this and the original radio comment that teaching was one of the most exhausting jobs? Stress and exhaustion aren’t quite the same thing either.

Stress and exhaustion actually often go hand in hand. Do you understand that? Unsure why you are having a go at me.
I agree with the OP. My experience of work in a comparable role entitles me to an opinion on how the two compare.

Petitchat · 23/07/2025 16:31

piscofrisco · 23/07/2025 16:11

That’s why I said I didn’t enjoy it especially and I also can see how teaching is tiring. where have I said I understand teaching fully from those few days other than to say the above? my point is it isn’t worse than lots of other vocational jobs-it’s probably equal in term of being stressful and tiring, but everyone else doesn’t get 12 weeks off to recover a year.

When my eldest was at school 45 years ago, no one was at all jealous of the teachers breaks.

I suppose that's because not many young mothers worked full time. I was only part time, a lot were SAHM.

Therefore there was no resentment about holidays. Didn't even occur to us.

Petitchat · 23/07/2025 16:42

Teachers holidays have become one of the comparisons in the judging of which job is more exhausting?
Seems to be the main bugbear for people.
Is this partly to blame for this turn against

Years ago many of us were SAHM and had a lot of spare time.
Didn't need to be jealous of teachers holidays, we had a lot of time at home ourselves.

Petitchat · 23/07/2025 16:43

Sorry, I'm just trying to make sense why people are having a go at teachers nowadays?

PinkBobby · 23/07/2025 17:14

Petitchat · 23/07/2025 16:43

Sorry, I'm just trying to make sense why people are having a go at teachers nowadays?

I think that definitely plays a part - the fact that most households do need to be dual income to survive means both parents are forced to work and can’t just work around the holidays like women used to. This is particularly true over the summer when it’s such a long break. And the easiest target for this frustration is teachers, I guess. What people should actually be doing is questioning the way we are expected to work nowadays and the lack of support for working parents. What we don’t need to do is shape school terms around the needs of businesses. School reform should be totally shaped by child development info and what is best for children. Let’s redirect all the energy into making flexible working and work places more parent friendly (without making kids spend more time in educational/childcare settings than they already have to).

@piscofrisco I’m afraid you just can’t properly compare the two careers as you’ve only done one of them. Yes, your job gives you greater insight into some aspects of teaching but unless you’ve been a teacher, it’s a pretty pointless conclusion to make because it’s not based on any real experience.

cardibach · 23/07/2025 17:24

piscofrisco · 23/07/2025 16:13

Stress and exhaustion actually often go hand in hand. Do you understand that? Unsure why you are having a go at me.
I agree with the OP. My experience of work in a comparable role entitles me to an opinion on how the two compare.

I’m not having a go. I’m pointing out that you are arguing against something nobody has said. Nobody has said teaching is more exhausting than social work - and stress isn’t really the focus here.
The OP, incidentally, has said nothing that the man on the radio didn’t say. Teaching is more exhausting than most jobs is what he said. Most. Not all. Maybe social work is one of the minority that is more exhausting. Maybe it isn’t. Are you saying you don’t think teaching is exhausting at all, in any way, and in fact most jobs are more exhausting than teaching?

Walkaround · 23/07/2025 18:00

PinkBobby · 23/07/2025 17:14

I think that definitely plays a part - the fact that most households do need to be dual income to survive means both parents are forced to work and can’t just work around the holidays like women used to. This is particularly true over the summer when it’s such a long break. And the easiest target for this frustration is teachers, I guess. What people should actually be doing is questioning the way we are expected to work nowadays and the lack of support for working parents. What we don’t need to do is shape school terms around the needs of businesses. School reform should be totally shaped by child development info and what is best for children. Let’s redirect all the energy into making flexible working and work places more parent friendly (without making kids spend more time in educational/childcare settings than they already have to).

@piscofrisco I’m afraid you just can’t properly compare the two careers as you’ve only done one of them. Yes, your job gives you greater insight into some aspects of teaching but unless you’ve been a teacher, it’s a pretty pointless conclusion to make because it’s not based on any real experience.

The parents willing to complain about teachers’ holidays because they think it’s unfair they have the stress of finding summer holiday childcare when teachers don't have to deal with that stress would complain just as vociferously if they were allowed school holidays off but absolutely forbidden any time off in term time - then it would be unfair that they missed 100% of their children’s school events, never got any daytime child free days off whatsoever, couldn’t have any opportunistic days off to deal with personal matters, and couldn’t get away with any term time holidays. It’s not just teachers who complain about their lot, after all - there are a considerably larger number of parents who are not teachers who spend a lot of their time complaining generally about how difficult their lives are as parents.

Coolasfeck · 23/07/2025 18:09

I believe a potential solution to the workload of teachers would be to start introducing AI tools in the classroom.

The teacher could become a ‘programme director’ and set the lessons which can be delivered to kids via AI. You could even just have one programme director teacher per subject as they would be able to handle more classes with the AI.

This AI will be able to detect a child’s performance and recommend intervention actions for the teacher. A version will also be sent to the parent.

The AI does the admin and the teacher analyses the reports and adjusts the programme to suit the individual child’s needs.

Roaming TAs can be sent to support when alerts are made about behaviour etc.

These are just a few ideas but I see a role for more AI in education. I wouldn’t be surprised if we started to see this across public services. If designed properly it could be beneficial for both the public and public sector workers.

cardibach · 23/07/2025 18:16

Absolutely not @Coolasfeck . AI is unreliable and will always hallucinate. Plus we’ve seen how children receive online education, which is to say most don't receive it at all. Teaching is essential personal. It requires a connection between teacher and student.

SeriousTissues · 23/07/2025 18:33

I’ve worked in industry, taught in FE and done pastoral in primary. Education is by far the most rewarding work but by crikey it’s the hardest, most tiring work I have ever done.

OonaStubbs · 23/07/2025 18:39

AI is inevitably going to impact on schools. Teachers will become more like learning facilitators, in order to provide guidance for pupils. Ignoring AI in school is like ignoring the internet would have been 25 years ago.

cardibach · 23/07/2025 18:52

OonaStubbs · 23/07/2025 18:39

AI is inevitably going to impact on schools. Teachers will become more like learning facilitators, in order to provide guidance for pupils. Ignoring AI in school is like ignoring the internet would have been 25 years ago.

I’m not ignoring it. I’m saying it can’t replace teachers. It’s being used already, but to assist teachers with some tasks. Those tasks don’t include actual teaching. And can’t. In much the same way that the internet didn’t and can’t.

PinkBobby · 23/07/2025 19:04

cardibach · 23/07/2025 18:52

I’m not ignoring it. I’m saying it can’t replace teachers. It’s being used already, but to assist teachers with some tasks. Those tasks don’t include actual teaching. And can’t. In much the same way that the internet didn’t and can’t.

I totally agree. AI can really help teachers with plenty of the admin (arguable some of the admin should just be gotten rid of altogether!) but in terms of engaging children and making them socially ready for the world, particularly at primary level, I just cannot see how it would work in the child’s best interest. They learn how to live in society through imaginative play, taking risks, working with friends. We are doing our children a disservice if we use technology to make adults’ lives easier. Education settings should always be led by child development - academic but also emotional/social. I would rather all the challenges of teaching than leading a group of 4, or even 11 year olds to a room of iPads and watch them disappear behind screens for the day. The aim of schools isn’t just to fill kids with information, it’s to help them understand and engage with the actual world (ideally not using a screen!).

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 23/07/2025 19:30

OonaStubbs · 23/07/2025 18:39

AI is inevitably going to impact on schools. Teachers will become more like learning facilitators, in order to provide guidance for pupils. Ignoring AI in school is like ignoring the internet would have been 25 years ago.

AI could be great for admin , paperwork, even some prep/planning. Actual teaching however, is incredibly dynamic. Kids (especially in primary) need to be heard, seen , engaged with. In the moment. They need questions answered, misconceptions corrected, work looked at then and there. They need to form bonds and trust. Nevermind disclosures and safeguarding concerns.

FrippEnos · 23/07/2025 19:46

RevolutionHere · 23/07/2025 05:56

And lets be honest, whether the OP admits it or not, this was a thread to goad responses from teachers and as a type of thread is seen far to much on here. @FrippEnos

i will not admit it as it categorically wasnt intended to goad teachers, it was in reference to exhaustion, felt in manual workers, but this site is heavy with teachers with a distinct lack of manual workers, typically as it is mainly female.
no one has convinced me by the way

You don't even know what type of welding your DH does. So your defense of "manual workers", isn't exactly heart felt.

For what its worth, I have actually done manual labour. working on farms, picking veg on the back of a potato harvester, slung hay bales. Worked in Factories on the back (heavy) end of machines.

So unlike you I know what manual labour is like. Yes, its physically demanding, but mentally? No.

I recommend that you try both before posting goady threads on the internet.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.
Swipe left for the next trending thread