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Drug use- what do you find acceptable?

339 replies

Rachmumoftwo · 27/05/2008 11:55

There is a thread that has touched on this already. What is acceptable drug use in your eyes? Is it OK to smoke a little weed when the children are in bed, or take cocaine on weekends or holidays, or is it totally irresponsible to even entertain the idea of drug taking if you are a parent (or if you are planning to be)?

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CoteDAzur · 03/02/2009 21:21

You don't even have to look at the animal kingdom.

Us humans, we like to eat/drink things that change our mood - like alcohol, for example.

Except that alcohol is not a lot of fun, comparatively.

SalBySea · 03/02/2009 21:34

Cocaine and heroine ARE legal

Cocaine is used in eye oporations and diamorphine (heroine) is regularly legally prescribed both in the community and in hospitals. Ketamine is legal too, most drugs are already legal for their legitimate uses

They should never be legalised for "recreational use". You cant buy antibiotics you dont need (in this country) to take just because you want to take them for fun, nor should you.

Alcohol is legal but can be illegal. You cant go around selling mets to teenagers for consumption. You cant drink whilst driving your car. There are and always should be boundaries, same with drugs. I think that people on this thread seem to think that recreational drugs should be legal without boundaries?

Drugs obtained for recreational use are illegal even if legal in other contexts. Buying them feeds crime and murder.

Saying that they should be legalised is not justification for continuing to take them, as the law states at present, street drugs are not legal, full stop.

I dont agree with some of the speed limits where I live, does that mean I can drive at the speed I think it should be and in my defence say "well it SHOULD be at least 50".

it is illegal and IMO it is wrong. You are involving yourself in a hideous chain of events.

darryl66 · 03/02/2009 21:43

IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION....ALCOHOL............NUMBER ONE RECREATIONAL DRUG...AND IT KILLS MANY!!

queenofbeas · 03/02/2009 21:47

Why take the risk when you have DC? Each to their own.

CoteDAzur · 03/02/2009 21:52

Well, actually, you can buy drugs for recreational use. And people will continue to buy them.

This doesn't have anything to do with antibiotic use. Compare it to alcohol, if you wish, but that is a comparison that will not be in the favor of your position, on dangers, effects, addiction potential, etc.

If you legalise recreational drugs, you get the chance the regulate their use. Then and only then can you effectively set "boundaries".

"Buying them feeds crime and murder"

Only because they are illegal. Just like the time of alcohol Prohibition in the US.

"You are involving yourself in a hideous chain of events."

I'm sorry but that is just funny What hideous chain of events? Smoke a joint > pop a pill > shoot heroin > prostitute yourself > die in a ditch??? Come on

TheYearOfTheCat · 03/02/2009 22:15

Cote,
My understanding of SalbySea's post was that buying drugs is the final link of a 'hideaous chain of events' - ie the exploitation of producers, and funding of organised crime that is associated with drugs.

I thought the regulated use argument was the one which underscored the position in Holland - yet they have a serious problem with harder drugs such as heroin.

piscesmoon · 03/02/2009 22:21

I think that any taking of illegal drugs is incompatible with being a parent.

CoteDAzur · 03/02/2009 22:24

If you wish to stop drugs funding organized crime, all you need to do is legalise & regulate it. Just like alcohol.

Have you ever been to Holland? The only drugs they have legalised are of the natural/plant kind - marijuana, mushrooms, etc. All else is still illegal.

Their model works pretty well and rumours of its death are greatly exaggerated . They have broken down the link between soft drugs and hard drugs, and most Dutch people don't even use marijuana.

TheYearOfTheCat · 03/02/2009 22:31

Umm, yes, I've been to Holland, and have several close family members living there. Hence knowing that there is a serious problem with harder drugs there. I think the argument that if you legalise the 'soft' drugs, then there is no need for the 'hard' ones is flawed. Obviously, it is not the case that everyone who lives in Holland takes drugs, nor that everyone who uses marijuana also progresses to harder drugs, but there is a significant issue relating to the 'harder' drugs in Holland.

CoteDAzur · 03/02/2009 22:33

pisces - Honestly, I have touched any kind of drug maybe three times since we had DD more than 3 years ago, simply because we just don't have the luxury of partying all night and sleeping all day anymore. But that kind of half-baked self-righteousness still pisses me off.

You wouldn't bat an eyelid at parents who go out and get silly drunk on an occasional night out, but heavens forbid if they share an E or do a line of cocaine, because... why exactly? How do they suddenly become "incompatible" with parenthood?

Not everyone has to live like you. People don't stop being human beings with an occasional need for a fun night the second they become parents. They can have fun their way, and as long as their DC are properly taken care of by other adults during this time, it is nobody's business.

CoteDAzur · 03/02/2009 22:46

"the argument that if you legalise the 'soft' drugs, then there is no need for the 'hard' ones is flawed"

That was never "the argument", though.

There will always be people taking hard drugs. Face it, they are fun. And people like fun. As simple as that.

What Holland has done is to break the progression from soft to hard drugs - one is legal, easily accessible, and safe while the other is illegal, hard to get, and of dubious safety. You don't progress from Marlboro lights to marijuana, because the legal status & sellers are completely different. Similarly, you don't readily progress from marijuana to cocaine in Holland.

Yes, people also use hard drugs in Amsterdam, just like in Paris, New York, Moscow, and especially in London. Ime, London is where Class A drugs are most prevalent, much more than Amsterdam.

How much of a "problem" this is depends on your perspective. Personally, I believe in a "live and let live" approach - What people eat, smoke, or otherwise ingest is not the state's business long as they don't harm others. Again, ime, users of most drugs are much more pleasant and well behaved than drunks.

What I am trying to say is, yes, there are few dangerous drugs out there that turn their users into dangerous addicts. And their use should rightly be illegal. However, there are many others who are not addictive and are much less dangerous than alcohol, and those can easily be legalised & regulated.

ummadam · 03/02/2009 23:12

caffeine.. yes I'm ok with caffeine.... that's about it.

darryl66 · 04/02/2009 02:54

you all should try smoking the weed pure rather than mixed with tabacco+ the 2000 or so other potentially lethal, addictive chemicals added....maybe it wouldnt be so addictive then...! think about it abit...maybe youll conclude that its the stuff you smoke with it youre addicted to..and not the scape goat..i have known many people who smoke the weed who dont smoke cigarettes, who infact inadvertently become addicted to cigarettes,....in such a short space of time..cause we all know how non-addictive cigarettes are..dont we..lol! just a passing comment on the issues of smoking cannabis!! as to alcohol well... just keep on guzzleing and dying, afterall its just a legal way to kill yourself and others!! far far worse than the majority of illegal stuff out there...believe me i`ve been there and thankfully i am still here, cannabis was and still is my savior..not had a drop for 2.5 yrs now!!.you just need to find the right strain/ratio for you!! enuf said.....have fun and enjoy!

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CoteDAzur · 04/02/2009 08:54

I wouldn't know how much weed costs. Never bought any.

Re cocaine - No, it doesn't hurt. If anything, it numbs. Personally, I don't like it because its 2 minute high is not worth the hassle that follows some hours later: (1) complete inability to sleep for a very long time, even if you really want to, and (2) swollen and blocked nose, which means you can't breathe at all from your nose.

Still, it is an incredible 'alcohol eraser' - give a tiny bit to a very drunk person, and he is suddenly awake and sober. In fact, the only time I see myself ever using it again is if I am drunk and somehow have to drive.

CoteDAzur · 04/02/2009 08:56

darryl is right, btw. Weed/marijuana does not cause physical addiction.

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mrsmalumbas · 04/02/2009 09:18

Maybe it's an age thing or just the culture I grew up in but I just would not think to take an illegal drug - for one thing I wouldn't know how to go about obtaining any! But it's just not something I would do, either in charge of children or not. The idea/opportunity just never crosses my mind. In the very unlikely event that I was offered a line of coke or an E (just not something I can see happening in my social circle!) I am sure I would decline - for one, it is illegal as other posters have mentioned, and for another just don't like the idea of getting out of my head. I do drink alcohol but only a few glasses of wine, not to the point of insensibility (although I did get completely ratted on my 40th birthday but my inlaws were around to take care of the girls!). Having said all of that, I did regularly drink to excess when younger - and am sure that if drugs had been more available when I was younger I might have indulged in weed or maybe E. Some of my friends did sometimes, but even then it seemed really "naughty" to me in a way than alcohol never did. I think I must have led a remarkably sheltered life!

CoteDAzur · 04/02/2009 09:27

Riven

It's hard to explain the truth of something you have no experience of, but try to take my word for it, if you are drunk, you would be much safer driving after a line of cocaine than before. It is not about a 'feeling', by the way, but really and truly being more alert and able to drive than before.

It is not something I would want to do, no. But as I said, if I absolutely had to (imagine, the designated driver is having convulsions on the floor and absolutely has to be taken to the hospital), yes, I would.

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CoteDAzur · 04/02/2009 09:54

Did I not say "if I absolutely had to"?

Can you not think of a single scenario where you would have to drive even if you have taken some alcohol?

Idrankthechristmasspirits · 04/02/2009 09:58

cote - once again, my partner is addicted, he is being treated for it.

There really is an awful lot of shit being written on this thread.

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MrsMattie · 04/02/2009 10:01

Ooh, I don't know. I don't personally take drugs anymore
(I smoked a lot of weed as a youngster, and took class A drugs recreationally all through my 20s...)

It doesn't interest me now, it doesn't feel right and I couldn't contemplate looking after my kids on a come down! Similarly, I don't smoke cigarettes anymore or drink spirits (except at Christmas).

I really do find it hard to judge people who take drugs recreationally, away from their kids. It would be quite hypocritical of me, for one. mainly, I just think that although obviously it isn't 'right' and there are lots of good reasons - moral, practical etc - that mean it's not a good idea, it doesn't automatically mean that that person is a 'bad parent'. I know a lot of parents who continue to smoke the odd spliff / do the odd line of coke at a party. I can't really condemn half my friends, can I? Not my cup of tea, but hey, smoking when you've got kids isn't my cup of tea, either. Lots of things other people do with their lives aren't for me...

solidgoldbullet4myvalentine · 04/02/2009 10:29

All the people claiming that no one else should ever take drugs because they or people they know have had bad experiences: would you argue that because of the awful prevalence of domestic violence, no one should get married? It's the same logic, after all.

BodyBagBastard · 04/02/2009 10:34

nothing at all.

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