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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Spindrifts · 20/07/2025 16:35

But why are family expected to help? You made the choice to have three children you need to accept responsibility instead of expecting other people to pick up the reins. Your parents have done their job. You come across as very entitled in line with today's mindset.

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

NJLX2021 · 20/07/2025 16:39

The first page of this thread makes me happy I don't live in England any more.

It's amazing comparing this to the thread about why women find it tougher to raise children these days.. the first dozen replied are full of:

"Because it takes a village to raise a baby.. and women's don't have support any more!"

And yet a woman expects family support, and gets dozens of replies telling her that she is unreasonable to expect it.. should be able to do it on her own, etc.

In the culture I live in, families are expected to help each other, and a baby for the family is something that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone is expected to help with. Grandparents, aunts, uncle's, etc. Society would look down on them if they didn't do what they could to help a new baby that has been brought into the family. A mother staying for a few weeks to help with a pregnant woman or a new baby? Great 👍 exactly the inter-generational care and support that keeps families going.

GlastoNinja · 20/07/2025 16:41

I voted YABU, largely because you’re getting overly involved in your husbands relationship with his dad. You’re creating drama, whipping everyone up, refusing to talk to people about it and then your impulsivity got too much for you and you stormed in with both feet.

The issue of whether you needed extra help isn’t for other people to comment on but it does sound like you managed without and all was fine

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:42

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

But this wasn't a last-minute emergency. OP roped her 72 year old mother into living with her for two weeks.

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 16:43

You are being completely unreasonable.

Three things....

  1. Why did you have baby no. 3 if you can't cope with the two you already had? You have chosen to be a family of five, there are two of you to look after your DCs. Sorry but it's time to get on with it and stop making a fuss..
  1. It sounds like your FIL is working full time. His income comes before your need for a free babysitter. I'm expected to attend my end of year do as well. It's a three line whip. Why do you think you choosing to have a baby takes priority? It doesn't. It just isn't his problem.
  1. Why can't you hire in some help if you won't do your own housework? I raised my ds alone, without my ex, and I never once argued with my relatives over care (I didn't ask for any).. The only times I have relied on help in the 17 years since ds was born, was when I underwent a mastectomy (1 day in hospital and 1 day recovery) when I paid a nanny to come and stay. and four days when I had chemo, and my dsis did the school runs because my insurance was invalid. I did school runs on the all days I had radiotherapy.

What exactly is it you need your FIL to come and do, that your dh can't do in the evenings and at the weekends?

Heronwatcher · 20/07/2025 16:43

Your FIL doesn’t want “that kind” of relationship with your kids. It’s his choice to make. He likely won’t have a hugely close relationship with them but that’s his chickens coming home to roost. Just see him when you see him, expect very little but stay out of the relationship between him and your DH. This is too much drama.

MyJollySloth · 20/07/2025 16:43

NJLX2021 · 20/07/2025 16:39

The first page of this thread makes me happy I don't live in England any more.

It's amazing comparing this to the thread about why women find it tougher to raise children these days.. the first dozen replied are full of:

"Because it takes a village to raise a baby.. and women's don't have support any more!"

And yet a woman expects family support, and gets dozens of replies telling her that she is unreasonable to expect it.. should be able to do it on her own, etc.

In the culture I live in, families are expected to help each other, and a baby for the family is something that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone is expected to help with. Grandparents, aunts, uncle's, etc. Society would look down on them if they didn't do what they could to help a new baby that has been brought into the family. A mother staying for a few weeks to help with a pregnant woman or a new baby? Great 👍 exactly the inter-generational care and support that keeps families going.

Thanks for talking some sense. I completely agree with you. No wonder today's world is full of mentally ill people. It’s so sad that people are so self absorbed into their own wills and desires but would sure appreciate help if they were going through tough times. I miss having my extended family nearby for this reason, much more warmth and empathy than my extended family in the UK.

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

Glitchymn1 · 20/07/2025 15:13

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t think I’ll want to babysit either 🙈 DH and I have plans, to travel to possibly buy a second home somewhere. I’ll be around for any births but day to day, sorry I don’t want to be looking after a baby. Presumably they’ve all helped you with child one, child two and now child three- goodness it’s a big ask isn’t it.

Edited

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:45

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

Where was the emergency? She had her mother on standby but said she wanted her mum to rest.

He wasnt in a position to help, he didnt expect to be.

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:46

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

Why is the woman so exhausted, then?

JohnTheRevelator · 20/07/2025 16:48

Sorry but what does FKD mean?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:49

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

It's not "literally all she asked of anyone" - she roped her 72 year old mother into being there for two weeks and when that was too much for her, tried to get her FIL (who still works) to drop his plans and step in instead, then when he didn't, she rang him to "hash it out".

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:50

JohnTheRevelator · 20/07/2025 16:48

Sorry but what does FKD mean?

Fucked. As in, hungover, tired.

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 16:50

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

Yes, of course it is ok to ask, but it is not ok to get arsey when someone says no, because they have a prior commitment.

I always act as emergency back up to one of my neighbours, but I offer, she doesn't expect or demand. There is a crucial difference.

Cucy · 20/07/2025 16:50

YABU your FIL had plans and it’s unfair that you think he should cancel it.

I feel so sorry for your poor mum.
You have taken advantage of her, even though in your OP you admit that she’s older and doesn’t like doing it.

I’m actually shocked you this it’s acceptable to ask a 72yo woman to do this.

Your FIL is happy to stand up to you both but your poor mum sounds too nice for her own good.

You should try and have someone on stand by for it you went into labour during the night.
If you went into labour unexpectedly, then your DH would have to stay home and look after the kids.

It is lovely when we all support each other but you expect way too much, especially when you don’t live locally.

MaidOfSteel · 20/07/2025 16:51

If you’d gone into labour during the night and had no other help, then you could have gone to the hospital alone. There’s no law that says your partner must be there. He could stay at home with the kids, done the school run etc.

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 16:52

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

But she hasn't? She asked her mum to come down 2 weeks before due date. While it now appears that she was still working. Despite being told by a midwife to have someone available.

The sensible thing would have been to wait til labour began. Rang her mum and she would have hopefully been able to come before the baby arrived so that DH could hand over the children and attend.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

Astrabees · 20/07/2025 16:12

What is the OP supposed to do when the baby is born if there is no one around to take care of the oldest two? it is very sad to have to go to hospital and not have your partner with you. When I was expecting my second I made the decision to have a home birth mainly because there were no relations at all within 100 miles and I knew no one at all who could have had DS1. I think that for OP the only thing to do would be to have her mother stay but to keep her rested until needed at the time of the birth.

Thank you! This was exactly the plan but she ended up like all amazing mothers do try to do everything. I didn’t let her do everything but for the sake of my OP I just said housework because that’s what she did when she offered her help. I didn’t want her to be around the kids too much because they are so active and always want attention which is so exhausting so whilst I was entertaining them after pick up or on my days off, she would wash up a few plates or fold some clothes I’d taken out of the laundry. It wasn’t like a one stop maid like everyone thinks. I didn’t realise it had to be so detailed on here or that I needed to give her every movement to present a fair case. I worked until due date myself as well because I wanted to make sure I earned till the end. we were not a bunch of soul sucking leeches watching my mum do everything. She was just being an amazing mum that didn’t want to stop no matter how much we said hence why we wanted to send her home to relax and not feel any kind of burden. Giving birth alone last time was really tough and we had people on the way but it was just too quick.

OP posts:
SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 16:55

NJLX2021 · 20/07/2025 16:39

The first page of this thread makes me happy I don't live in England any more.

It's amazing comparing this to the thread about why women find it tougher to raise children these days.. the first dozen replied are full of:

"Because it takes a village to raise a baby.. and women's don't have support any more!"

And yet a woman expects family support, and gets dozens of replies telling her that she is unreasonable to expect it.. should be able to do it on her own, etc.

In the culture I live in, families are expected to help each other, and a baby for the family is something that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone is expected to help with. Grandparents, aunts, uncle's, etc. Society would look down on them if they didn't do what they could to help a new baby that has been brought into the family. A mother staying for a few weeks to help with a pregnant woman or a new baby? Great 👍 exactly the inter-generational care and support that keeps families going.

Yeah, sounds idyllic.

Make elderly women like the OP's mum wear herself out because society will look down on her if she doesn't.

And the the inter-generational care and support in most cultures, still tends to be a heavier burden on the woman than the men.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:13

Her husband could have stayed with his children until her mother arrived to take over?

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

OP posts:
ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 16:56

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

And if you said to them ‘there is an emergency, I’ve worn out my mother and I need you to do the heavy lifting’ and they said

sorry we can’t, we have a work thing on Saturday and we will be hungover and then we have to go back to work on Monday’ would you be cross?

I think I’d wonder why the husband couldn’t do the heavy lifting over the weekend.

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 16:57

Incidentally OP, why isn't your dh at home with you?

If your baby is a couple of days old, why hasn't your dh taken his two weeks paternity leave?

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:57

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

Why didn't you organise paid childcare?

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:58

Middlemarch123 · 20/07/2025 16:01

Agree with every word.
I had three under three years . DH worked away a lot. Only time my parents who were in their fifties at the time had my kids overnight was when I was hospitalised and DH was away. They never had them overnight after that. My kids, I wanted them. We didn’t have babies for anyone else to bring them up.

OP was literally looking for exactly the same help you had - just someone to look after her older children while she was in hospital, in her case giving birth.