Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for eight threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

I feel sorry for her.
Reminds me of the Captain Tom Moore fallout.
Way over the top.
Guessing that the film rights etc elevated the cash cow and litigation aspects to new levels.

there were scenes filmed in both Padstow and Newquay. It was the bit from St Ives round to Fowey that was missing! The only south coast I could see was at Rame.

It seems there was a soup kitchen at an old church in 2012.

https://newquaytown.com/soup-kitchen

However, reading TSP, it's interesting that the Winn's visit is entirely glossed over by various statements about homelessness in the area. One would think their first experience of a soup kitchen would provide prime material for writing about given their own situation, need for sustenance etc, while there's plenty of anecdotes when it comes to cafes and chip vans.

@swpath Solidarity. There's a whole strand of commentary here that's obvious to many, but left unsaid. Wales, Scotland, Kernow. Alongside their many specific pilferings, the Winn/Walkers also reveal an overarching attitude of anglo-exceptionalism, appropriation, exploitation of what is not theirs. But that's a much larger discussion! We have plenty of tangible deceptions to cover.

Thank you, that's interesting 😁friend did say she'd found it boring in places so maybe she dozed off in those bits!

Thanks for the warm welcome OpenThatWindow
and everyone else
I have anchored, rowed to shore so now down to business. Re: the Izzy Wyn-Thomas book. Surely the inaugural winner of the prize below was Ms Winn for Salt.
RSL Christopher Bland Prize
It is awarded annually to an author of a fiction or non-fiction book who was first published when aged 50 or over. The prize is valued at £10,000 and was launched in September 2018.
If she wrote the 2012 published book that would disqualify her?

Oh good spot!

Good point well made @TheBrandyPath. It’s not entirely clear who Izzy Wyn-Thomas is and I am not entirely convinced she is the (sole) author of TSP anyway as Moth’s family is far more creative.

do the rules include self published books?

@TheBrandyPathsuperb work. I’ve just checked out the eligibility criteria for the prize and it certainly seems she shouldn’t have entered.

that’s another 10k she owes then.

Self published books are specifically excluded now. Not clear if the eligibility rules were the same in 2018.
https://rsliterature.org/join-in/awards-and-prizes/rsl-christopher-bland-prize-award-eligibility-and-entry-guidelines/

Now that’s how to join the thread!

Thank you for your kind words . I try to focus on what I can still do rather than what isn't possible any longer but still seethe with resentment on a regular basis. Was 14 months into a blissful , interesting, travel- filled retirement when this nonsense started . It's the unpredictability of flares which really frustrate as it makes planning Nice Happenings impossible. Can never forecast accurately how I'll be from one day to the next plus frequent medical appointments for monitoring my conditions mean I need to stay local anyhoo. I did wonder how Moth managed to keep up with his medical appointments etc whilst on these long walks .

My feeling is she uses words to evoke more pathos exactly as you so eloquently put it . I know of a couple of people who do the same in everyday life . Interestingly, neither of them take accountability for any misfortunes in their lives either . It's always someone else's fault and they don't understand why people are so mean / get fed up with them . Or why their families have ostracised them as have friends and acquaintances. It's a definite personality type IMO. Possibly a personality disorder?

As to it being a scam scheme. I also believe they had no.idea whatsoever that the book would become so famous so it probably wasn't to start with . Pretty hard when you become enmeshed to the degree they have to them stick your hand up and admit your unflinching honest account , isn't.

Settle in @TheBrandyPath & @swpath and make yourselves at home 😍as @Stravaig said, there's an enormous dollop of condescension at various points. See also discussion above about a Welsh person working in Wales who has a Welsh accent. I mean, who knew....

@Choux Now I wonder exactly when RSL specified that - and why?

Who’s our RSL specialist?

I've been thinking about the Izzy Winn Thomas book. Raymoth admitted that was them didn't they, in what identifies as their rebuttal?

By admitting that they're actually admitting to quite a few lies. Admitting the author name is them under another false name (ok pen names are common), but also the names of the publishing company people were all false, complete with fake mini bios. And the story of the raffle changed, I think between the small holder forum and somewhere else I can't remember where - in one they said they were an author with a great book and a publicist with a house to shift joining forces, in another that they'd scoured the countryside for the ideal house. Then the raffle itself was said to be for a house completely free of any charges, which was clearly a lie as it was both mortgaged and had a loan secured on it.

So Raymoth by admitting that they did hold that raffle are admitting to a minimum 3 lies in the administration of it, the biggest obviously that they were raffling a house saying it was free from charges when it wasn't. They outed themselves as people who constructed quite an elaborate con - not one part of the raffle scenario was actually truthful - who they were, why they were doing it, what they were offering. That wasn't 'mistakes being made' you don't create a fake publishing company owned by imaginary people raffling a mortgaged house as being free of charges by accident or on a whim. It was a con, and they've admitted they did it.

It’s not me. What does it mean?

@Nameychangington
And it was published by a companies house registered company.

The photo of Izzy Wyn-Thomas on the Gangani website certainly looks like Sally Walker. And we know she was a director of Gangani Publishing. Can't be 100% certain of course without an admission but evidence is very strong. "Thomas" was also the first name of her father, and we know how she likes to make use of family names.

However, I think you are right about self-published books.

Thank you for that . That is indeed the drop in centre which has now sadly closed although it later moved venues . I hadn't heard it referred to as a soup kitchen before. Just DISC . Could be where RW got the phrase from. And I would agree it would have been interesting to hear of her experience there as a first time user of such a facility .

Although I do find it odd that they needed to.use DISC at all what with their son living in Newquay. Even if he was away somewhere at the time , surely he'd given mum and dad a key and invited them to.use his place whilst they were in the area ? My kids and I have often used our homes in that way .
They seemed close , going by son giving dad a surfing lesson and driving them.to.Bristol and back. Which again, I found a bit odd as cheap coaches do that run for v little cost . Certainly cheaper than a round trip in a car .

Just being pedantic, and a minor point, but I think SW held 50% of the shares, but only TW was a director.
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/07999809/officers

Here here! I’ve been sitting quietly in the wings reading (and enjoying) the multiple threads since the start but haven’t spoken up much till now. However there’s little that provokes me quite as much as being told what to be do and how to think, so here I am (another Cornwall correspondent).

To play devil's advocate, it was my understanding from the website and/or forum thread that the house would only be "won" once the house value had been raised through selling enough books (ie they were hoping/trying to sell enough books to get a sum of cash equal to the value of the house). At this point they could have paid the debt, drawn the raffle, tranaferred the deeds to the winner and maybe have a meagre amount left to rent somewhere, depending on how much they raised. Of course, they saw the folly of this approach and gave up. That said, we'll never know if they ever intended to draw a raffle winner, or simply pay off the debts and save their house, or what was really going in their heads!

Sure, but it's just the involvement of Sally Walker with Gangani that's needed here. But, yes, you are right to correct on this.

Not offering to share your KitKats then? 🤨🤣.